davewilson
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i agree with jwp. i have no problems taking a shot at the south end heading north. very leathal. not saying it's a shot i take in a long range situation.
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jwp475,
I really had not considered your scenario, but it does have merit.
I would tend to avoid the rump due to meat loss, but two years ago I shot a buck quartering to me, and the bullet entered his chest, slightly off center, the bullet exited the opposite ham ( destroying a lot of meat ).
I try for the heart, but this deer caught me by surprise and I shot offhand.
This bullet was a 30 cal. 150 grain SST. If I had had a stouter bullet, I guess that the reverse shot would not have been out of line.
edge.
as an afterthought, I don't think that I would take this shot JUST to slow down an uninjured animal, but if I was confident that I could hit the heart, then I have no problem with it.
I really had not considered your scenario, but it does have merit.
I would tend to avoid the rump due to meat loss, but two years ago I shot a buck quartering to me, and the bullet entered his chest, slightly off center, the bullet exited the opposite ham ( destroying a lot of meat ).
I try for the heart, but this deer caught me by surprise and I shot offhand.
This bullet was a 30 cal. 150 grain SST. If I had had a stouter bullet, I guess that the reverse shot would not have been out of line.
edge.
as an afterthought, I don't think that I would take this shot JUST to slow down an uninjured animal, but if I was confident that I could hit the heart, then I have no problem with it.
If any of you ever get to Anchorage Alaska, go by the local gun shops and ask for the video "No Land For The Timid" there is a scene shooting a Polar Bear with a 375 H&H and they shot this bear 11 times if I remember correctly with all shots in the shoulder or rib cage just behind the shoulder and this bear would not go down and stay.
A stoutly constructed bullet that is capable of extreme penetration (and if one does not miss judge the angle) is an extremely deadly shot. A bullet that travels the length of the body is very deadly very quickly..
I agree with Dave Wilson this is not a preferred shot at long range..
A stoutly constructed bullet that is capable of extreme penetration (and if one does not miss judge the angle) is an extremely deadly shot. A bullet that travels the length of the body is very deadly very quickly..
I agree with Dave Wilson this is not a preferred shot at long range..
A few years back I had a nice buck scouted. Opening morning the deer stood up 100 yards out facing dead away. He slowly fed straight away from me for another hundred yards before disapearing into the brush. Funny thing is, it never occured to me to run one through from the tailpipe. Dunno if I'd take the shot if I had it to do over. Messy...
I did put an arrow through a skunk that showed me his rear target dot. Shut him off like you'd flicked a switch.
I've seen two deer shot in the base of the neck from the same angle. Nice, clean, and instant.
I did put an arrow through a skunk that showed me his rear target dot. Shut him off like you'd flicked a switch.
I've seen two deer shot in the base of the neck from the same angle. Nice, clean, and instant.
It's pretty rare that anyone would have to shoot a game animal in the butt. At long ranges I can't think of any reason for taking such a shot unless the animal is wounded and moving away. At closer ranges, I can't see messing up the guts even if it is a killing shot. If the animal isn't going to be eaten then I guess a humanely dead animal is a dead animal.
I've taken the butt shot twice that I recall in 36 years of hunting, both times on moose. On the one, the bull had been shot broadside through the lungs at 615 yds and then turned and headed away from me. Next shot through the hip / ball joint broke him down, with very little meat damage I might add. I was using a .338 215 gr Barnes X boattail bullet, back in 1994 before the Triple Shocks came out. Found the bullet laying against the stomach - luckily it didn't penetrate the stomach pouch. Only penetrated about 18-20 inches which surprised me. First shot was a killer but I couldn't know for sure at the time I fired my second shot.
Second moose was about 420 yards away and had been spooked by another bull and just kept moving away from me. I couldn't get him to turn, as he was already headed out and away at a quick pace. Rather than face the winter without moose meat I fired. Incurred some meat loss on the left ham. First shot wasn't a killer. The moose then turned broadside and I was able to hit him more properly. If you lose 10 pounds of meat on a moose with a shot to the ham, you still end up with 350 lbs of good meat, on an adult bull. Less on a 1 1/2 year old. More on a monster old bull.
I've taken the butt shot twice that I recall in 36 years of hunting, both times on moose. On the one, the bull had been shot broadside through the lungs at 615 yds and then turned and headed away from me. Next shot through the hip / ball joint broke him down, with very little meat damage I might add. I was using a .338 215 gr Barnes X boattail bullet, back in 1994 before the Triple Shocks came out. Found the bullet laying against the stomach - luckily it didn't penetrate the stomach pouch. Only penetrated about 18-20 inches which surprised me. First shot was a killer but I couldn't know for sure at the time I fired my second shot.
Second moose was about 420 yards away and had been spooked by another bull and just kept moving away from me. I couldn't get him to turn, as he was already headed out and away at a quick pace. Rather than face the winter without moose meat I fired. Incurred some meat loss on the left ham. First shot wasn't a killer. The moose then turned broadside and I was able to hit him more properly. If you lose 10 pounds of meat on a moose with a shot to the ham, you still end up with 350 lbs of good meat, on an adult bull. Less on a 1 1/2 year old. More on a monster old bull.
grpolarbear
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Large bears might become cranky and maybe even a little naughty if shot in the backside with the wrong caliber/wrong bullet.It,s a long way to the boiler room from that angle.Large caliber and heavy bullets will do the job,.375,.416 and .458s.Doing this for any other reason than stopping a wounded animal is unethical and foolish,and more foolish than that would be taping it for all the non-hunting world to see.They should have more respect for the game they(hunt)!GRPB
Large bears might become cranky and maybe even a little naughty if shot in the backside with the wrong caliber/wrong bullet.It,s a long way to the boiler room from that angle.Large caliber and heavy bullets will do the job,.375,.416 and .458s.Doing this for any other reason than stopping a wounded animal is unethical and foolish,and more foolish than that would be taping it for all the non-hunting world to see.They should have more respect for the game they(hunt)!GRPB
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davewilson
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jwp, could you get a bike to that thing or did you have to pack it all out?
i've helped with close to a couple dozen moose and they're some work to say the least. in every case we could get the bikes close to them. of course that's usuually quite a bit of work getting the bikes there.
i've helped with close to a couple dozen moose and they're some work to say the least. in every case we could get the bikes close to them. of course that's usuually quite a bit of work getting the bikes there.
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My comments here are directed to no one at all, just my personal feelings on the subject which I have come to learn from hunting with my Dad and Granddad while I was young and their feelings were passed onto me.
95% of our hunting is for deer, 80% of our red meat diet comes from venison and always has, the rest is made up of the occasional beef roast or burger when I was growing up.
When I was of age to hunt, my family had what was needed to get by but did not have alot of money. A 250 lb live weight whitetail or mule deer buck was truely valueable. A 150 lb live weight whitetail doe was just as valuable. Not so much for the trophy but for the food they provided for the family that was to last the entire year simply because we could not afford a steady diet of beef.
As such, we were taught to take shots that would damage as little meat as possible, generally, with river bottom whitetail hunting which was often under 150 yards, neck shots were the mainstay which is controversial all in of itself but when performed correctly, nothing is more instantainious as far as dropping a deer in its tracks.
Moving shots on game were not recommended because there was a good chance of taking out both shoulders which would be around 25-30 lbs of total meat on a big whitetail buck, meat that would make even more burger for the year.
Taking a shot at the rear end of a deer was simply of no option. If you did not have a shot at the neck, you did not shoot.
Over time this lessoned a bit and shoulder shots became the norm as we started taking longer range shots where a neck shot simply is not an ethical option.
Jump forward to where I am now. I have watched many hunting videos of African hunting and some on moose and bear hunting where the guide actually instructed the shooter before hand to prepare to take a rear end shot on these animals to break them down and then they could be finished off after that.
I will be honest, I would rather eat a tag then punch a big game animal in the *** just for the sake of of taking him home. This again is just my personal opinion on how I view hunting big game. Obviously the larger animals have enough body mass to take a hit in this area and still provide huge amounts of meat to still be recovered. That is not the point for me. Just been to hardwired over time to not even consider taking such a shot.
Now that said, I have made some bad shots in my life, I have taken some shots on moving critters and will fully admit I have hammered a ham or two in my life and felt sick about it. Certainly the animal was recovered but the memories of those hunts are still not all that great in my mind.
Now if the animal is wounded, all bets are off, bullets will be flying for as long as the animal is on its feet and I can see it no matter what angle the animal is to me, thats a totally different story.
Perhaps if I had been on a very long and hard hunt and presented with ONLY a tail end shot I would consider it, but I suspect I would consider it long enough that I would miss the opportunity for the shot anyway. Just something I do not think I could intentionally make myself do.
Again, I am not judging anyone on the subject, just offering my opinion and the background as to why I feel that way.
I can remember as a young man coming home with a good buck and my grandma was so proud because I had not ruined anything but neck meat. Did not matter that it was a nice mature whitetail, I had brought home all the meat I possibly could for my hunting license and that was something to be proud of in those days.
Guess that is still somewhat present in the back of my mind these days. Although I never have any problems shooting any big game animal squarely through both shoulders now and actually prefer that, I get uncomfortable on angles where that rear end swings to close to the vitals.
Just me though.
95% of our hunting is for deer, 80% of our red meat diet comes from venison and always has, the rest is made up of the occasional beef roast or burger when I was growing up.
When I was of age to hunt, my family had what was needed to get by but did not have alot of money. A 250 lb live weight whitetail or mule deer buck was truely valueable. A 150 lb live weight whitetail doe was just as valuable. Not so much for the trophy but for the food they provided for the family that was to last the entire year simply because we could not afford a steady diet of beef.
As such, we were taught to take shots that would damage as little meat as possible, generally, with river bottom whitetail hunting which was often under 150 yards, neck shots were the mainstay which is controversial all in of itself but when performed correctly, nothing is more instantainious as far as dropping a deer in its tracks.
Moving shots on game were not recommended because there was a good chance of taking out both shoulders which would be around 25-30 lbs of total meat on a big whitetail buck, meat that would make even more burger for the year.
Taking a shot at the rear end of a deer was simply of no option. If you did not have a shot at the neck, you did not shoot.
Over time this lessoned a bit and shoulder shots became the norm as we started taking longer range shots where a neck shot simply is not an ethical option.
Jump forward to where I am now. I have watched many hunting videos of African hunting and some on moose and bear hunting where the guide actually instructed the shooter before hand to prepare to take a rear end shot on these animals to break them down and then they could be finished off after that.
I will be honest, I would rather eat a tag then punch a big game animal in the *** just for the sake of of taking him home. This again is just my personal opinion on how I view hunting big game. Obviously the larger animals have enough body mass to take a hit in this area and still provide huge amounts of meat to still be recovered. That is not the point for me. Just been to hardwired over time to not even consider taking such a shot.
Now that said, I have made some bad shots in my life, I have taken some shots on moving critters and will fully admit I have hammered a ham or two in my life and felt sick about it. Certainly the animal was recovered but the memories of those hunts are still not all that great in my mind.
Now if the animal is wounded, all bets are off, bullets will be flying for as long as the animal is on its feet and I can see it no matter what angle the animal is to me, thats a totally different story.
Perhaps if I had been on a very long and hard hunt and presented with ONLY a tail end shot I would consider it, but I suspect I would consider it long enough that I would miss the opportunity for the shot anyway. Just something I do not think I could intentionally make myself do.
Again, I am not judging anyone on the subject, just offering my opinion and the background as to why I feel that way.
I can remember as a young man coming home with a good buck and my grandma was so proud because I had not ruined anything but neck meat. Did not matter that it was a nice mature whitetail, I had brought home all the meat I possibly could for my hunting license and that was something to be proud of in those days.
Guess that is still somewhat present in the back of my mind these days. Although I never have any problems shooting any big game animal squarely through both shoulders now and actually prefer that, I get uncomfortable on angles where that rear end swings to close to the vitals.
Just me though.
I took that Moose in the late 80's on a fly in drop off hunt about 60 miles south east of Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. The hunting and the packing was totally on foot. A Moose that size takes 2 men about 4 days to get all of the boned out meat back to the camp site, which is by the land strip. It is a tremendous amount of hard work and packing. I killed this Moose about 4 Miles upstream from camp. My hunting partner also killed one at about the same location only a lot smaller and his took us about 2 1/2 days to pack back to camp.
That was a great hunt. I also took my best Caribou and got him with my revolver a 45 Colt in a Ruger Bisley.
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JWP475,
That's a nice bull moose and a lot of work and meat. A four-mile pack is a long pack even on a trail, let alone cross country. Good for you for getting him all back to the airstrip. Bet it was more work than you were counting on, unless you'd packed out moose before. I remember the first one I packed out. Whoa... a big difference between getting a deer out of the woods and a moose out of Alaska.
That's a nice bull moose and a lot of work and meat. A four-mile pack is a long pack even on a trail, let alone cross country. Good for you for getting him all back to the airstrip. Bet it was more work than you were counting on, unless you'd packed out moose before. I remember the first one I packed out. Whoa... a big difference between getting a deer out of the woods and a moose out of Alaska.
