Shot 23'new cartridge predictions?

[comfisherman]

I wonder if the 8mm bore has a resurgence. Not this year, maybe never but, marketing is missing an opportunity. They've covered many metric wonder cartridges lately. It seems to be a marketing scheme that has to create something 'new' every year.

The 323/8mm conundrum is probably multi factoral. It's an accute sufferer of "anything over 308 sells in small numbers". Combined with the dual whammy of it not being a 338 or 358. It's probably fair to say the 338 bullets on aggregate win at long range and 358 wins in brush rounds (granted it's a small loyal segment)

8mm remington magnum was essentially a belted ultra magnum before it was cool. Had it been released mid long range Craze with sleek bullets and dialing scopes atop 10 pound braked or suppressed guns.... well it would probably be popular. As it was it was often chambered in standard configuration rem 700s it beat the snot out of those brave enough, and was overkill for the style of hunting that was mainstream at its inception.

325 wsm always had a market asking why not a 338. For those that didn't ask they just bought a 300 wsm and loaded heavies if needed. My limited amount of 325 wsm exposure is recent, it's not a bad little combo in a kimber 8400. Recoil is stout for most folks, and let's be honest a well constructed bullet in 7 wsm will happily do everything the lower 48 requires.

For as popular as 8mm was 100 years ago, it cannot seem to get modern traction.

20 ZippenWerferKurtz > .20 Practical AI (.20-.223 AI)

.20 practical probably should have been the 204 ruger. Would have left them room for a hotter round half a decade down the line and hastened speedier adoption initially.

 

[Hugnot]

20 ZippenWerferKurtz > .20 Practical AI (.20-.223 AI)

The 20 ZippenWerferKurtz would be ragingly popular as it would be a natural fit for the common AR, AKA MSR, 5.56 rifle magazines. The .204 diameter bullet would have certain ballistic advantages over comparable weight .224 bullets when used in MSR's. Increasing shoulder angle would help with case trimming frequency.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

I wonder if the 8mm bore has a resurgence. Not this year, maybe never but, marketing is missing an opportunity. They've covered many metric wonder cartridges lately. It seems to be a marketing scheme that has to create something 'new' every year.

Rumor is that they will be releasing a new 8mm based off the 7STW case. I can't wait for the new 8STW!

 

[Hugnot]

How about:

7.9 SportenWerferKurtz AKA 7.9X51 smaller than the 8X68s and an alternative to the 7.62X51 banned in certain European countries along with the 5.56X45.

 

[Hugnot]

How about:

7.9 SportenWerferKurtz AKA 7.9X51 smaller than the 8X68s and an alternative to the 7.62X51 banned in certain European countries along with the 5.56X45.

The

7.9 SportenWerferKurtz AKA 7.9X51 would approach the 7.92X57 round loaded with a 12.7 gram bullet (196 grains) at 800 mps (2600 fps) of WWII M34 fame at 300 MPascals (43.5 K PSI) and would be a good fit for AR10 MSR's.

 

[Hugnot]

The 9DefendenRandWerfer AKA 9mmAutoRim would be extremely popular for those having 9mm Luger revolvers that use full or half-moon clips.

 

[comfisherman]

Rumor is that they will be releasing a new 8mm based off the 7STW case. I can't wait for the new 8STW!

I heard it was an 8mm based off the 358 sta...

This topic came up at a new year's party where a few of us husband's were hiding from all the board games. Guess one guy had bought a 6.8 western as it was the only ammo on the shelf before a hunt and his other rifle was without ammo and brass.

The consensus was, shot won't give us caught up stock nor cartridges we want or need. Odds were put out, 6.5 long action that is prc or rpm competitive. Short action 270 and 25 cal that doesn't do anything a 6.5 or 7-08 can't do slightly better. A 6mm that's in the family of 243, creed, xc, gt... etc, all because they refuse to deviate. At least one more big bore ar 15 cartridge that will barely clear obscure pistol specific zones, and last but not least another self defense pistol round to yet again loose to the 9mm.

 

[Hugnot]

The 22MultiusenSRPWerfer AKA sort of like 22 Dasher or 22 GT would be extremely popular for those who have or have access to large quantities of small rifle magnum primers, like CCI450's, CCI 41, & Rem 7 1/2's and want something like a .22-.250 but less than a 22 CM.

 

[nksmfamjp]

Every year new stuff starts to leak out , invariably the industry decides we need a new set of cartridges. Nosler has a whole line now and does hornadys prc line that's essentially the noslers but cheaper and more popular.

Some good, some bad most repackaged ideas from the past with minor changes. Anyone remember the 30 tc... who bought a 30 super carry? Did the 27 nosler do all the things and more the 26 or 28 couldn't do? Some were great ideas but the market segment is so small they never really took off. (338 federal, 375 ruger, 338 norma)

Guessing by the buzz the 7 prc will be the hotness this year, but what else is needed?(need doesn't seem to factor in.... I'm looking at you winchester 6.8w) maybe a factory hot 6mm?

What's yalls prediction for what the industry has in store for us, that it's market analysts think we need?

My goodness….I hope not. What we need is a SAAMI revision standard vs a way for me to blow more money on brass tooling, cartridge lengths, lower quality stocks.

i hope people come to SHOT with a way to make the brass, primers, bullets and powder we invested in. We built a **** ton of rifles over the last 5 years….we need them to make the components. Somebody needs to show the component makers the pent up demand!

Last, we need more rifles and pistols for women. We can't keep sizing them as men or as children. We cannot make light duty ammo for big guns. It needs to be a group up effort.

Simply thinking about hunting rigs, women, I believe would like quality actions….but with mid and short strokes. Light, but secure safeties and triggers. Low effort cocking, feeding and positive extraction.
Light stocks, 12.5in lop adjustable to 13.5in lop...solid, but short for accuracy….grip and forearm for smaller hands. Wood or composite stocks.
Light short barrels chambered in short rounds that can push 120-150gr mono's with good accuracy to 2900-3000 fps.
Optional light and effective suppressors and/or muzzle brakes that support seeing you effect on target after the shot.
Maybe something more can be done to absorb recoil better or improve balance.

Sounds like mens rifles, but we need more at about 6-7lb weight. Too light will be hard to shoot. Too heavy, hard to carry, too rough will be unappealing.

 

[comfisherman]

Eh, I guess. It would be nice to never again see a pink snubnose or muddy girl pink dipped budget rifle.... but I'll see diesel under a dollar before that happens.

We can bag on gun companies for pandering, but the reality of this forum and all the rest is 99.7% male. Women are a fast growing segment of the gun Market, but not the hunting rifle market. I know a heap of men who bought hunting guns for their wives... maybe one will do that again...

Light short barrels with 130 to 150 grain bullets around 3k seem to be the market, regardless of gender. All that to say I'm surprised some marketing team hasn't shoved a female specific cartridge on us... well unless you count the Creedmoor.

On the first part, I'd be nice to see new powder and primer companies debut. Seems like brass and bullets managed to find a way or at least it's spread between more than two..... so lots better than the primer situation. Seems like from a national security stand point it should be a worry we can't fill sporting arms needs in under 3 years. We'd have a hard time scaling in time for even a small peer to peer skirmish if it's this hard to get the deer rifles up and rolling.. in 3 years.

 

[Rosebud]

A 45-70 with improved shoulder or maybe just a levergun that'll handle 65k psi of 45-70

Think that has been done, sweads called it the 20 mm Bofors cannon.

 

[Reelamin]

Eh, I guess. It would be nice to never again see a pink snubnose or muddy girl pink dipped budget rifle.... but I'll see diesel under a dollar before that happens.

We can bag on gun companies for pandering, but the reality of this forum and all the rest is 99.7% male. Women are a fast growing segment of the gun Market, but not the hunting rifle market. I know a heap of men who bought hunting guns for their wives... maybe one will do that again...

Instead of dumb colors many really dont care for besides small children how about they start making more models designed to fit women instead of pink guns designed for males physical build?

 

[coyote wacker]

But it's not really a mag, just belted. Maybe just neck up a wsm into a .458. Just imagine a 500gr from that!

Already is existing 458 B&M....

 

[Akredneck]

My goodness….I hope not. What we need is a SAAMI revision standard vs a way for me to blow more money on brass tooling, cartridge lengths, lower quality stocks.

i hope people come to SHOT with a way to make the brass, primers, bullets and powder we invested in. We built a **** ton of rifles over the last 5 years….we need them to make the components. Somebody needs to show the component makers the pent up demand!

Last, we need more rifles and pistols for women. We can't keep sizing them as men or as children. We cannot make light duty ammo for big guns. It needs to be a group up effort.

Simply thinking about hunting rigs, women, I believe would like quality actions….but with mid and short strokes. Light, but secure safeties and triggers. Low effort cocking, feeding and positive extraction.
Light stocks, 12.5in lop adjustable to 13.5in lop...solid, but short for accuracy….grip and forearm for smaller hands. Wood or composite stocks.
Light short barrels chambered in short rounds that can push 120-150gr mono's with good accuracy to 2900-3000 fps.
Optional light and effective suppressors and/or muzzle brakes that support seeing you effect on target after the shot.
Maybe something more can be done to absorb recoil better or improve balance.

Sounds like mens rifles, but we need more at about 6-7lb weight. Too light will be hard to shoot. Too heavy, hard to carry, too rough will be unappealing.

Weatherby had a great idea with the "Camilla" rifle. I think the clambering IMO could have been better. Would have liked to see the 6.5 sweed, 243win and 7mm08, all 3 would take anything in North America. Recoil on those 3 would be very manageable