I've decided not to look any further into the x bolt but couldn't help respond to the comment that their actions are ok. Aren't we talking about tikkas here and how great they are. I've used both and I'd say if the tikka is good the x bolt is equally good and better but that's my opinion I guess. Now another option has come to light today. So who knows. Getting my funds sorted out and when I do I'll make up my mind. It'll be the havok element or the fierce rogue. The cheaper option being the CA mesa and I'll buy a better stock later