I don't think that there is much to debate about, really. Savages shoot, flat out! I really had my eyes opened up to the world of Savage rifles a couple of years ago. I shot prone next to a guy in a formatted medium-long range shoot, and it was all I could do to not laugh at this guy. He had a savage axis (sub $300 at the time) in 6.5 CM with a pencil barrel and gaudy looking clamp-on tank brake, sitting in a boyds tacticool stock, with a home made cheek riser. So, as the shoot went (12 targets ranging from 250-800 yds 1-3moa size targets), I noticed that this guy never missed, he ran the course of fire cleanly. And hits hits weren't marginal. I didn't do nearly as well with my 'good looking' rifle. I have since gotten to know this guy very well. We are best of friends, and I have built/rebuilt over a dozen savage rifles for myself and for friends. Most guys took the savage approach to save a few buck. None have been disappointed with performance. Some, myself included, have enjoyed DIY barrel swaps, but still like the fancy stuff, too. And there is nothing wrong with that.