WEATHERBY460
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is the fcp really out yet??????????????????????????????
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savage 110 BA .338 lapua
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timmyatnop
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I don't. Own either rifle ,but I do own a 264 mag sendaro its a dam nice rifle I like it a lot . But I can't reload the 140 gr bergers there just to long for the action, I can load them but its a reduced load because so much of the bullet sticks down in the case that I can't put as much power as I would like to and the pressure is higher that primers are dented ,and tough extraction. That's. Why I think the longer magazine length would be better . Don't get me wrong I would love to have either one though .
is the fcp really out yet??????????????????????????????
Yes they are. I'm not sure how many are/were available.
Trickymissfit
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It says your friend prefers custom barrels, which isn't something that is uncommon. I do too. And to compare the two rifles is silly. If you set the Remington up like the Savage behemoth is set up, it would shoot just as well as you perceive you savage does. Heck I have experience with both and the Remington is so close that I would go with that over the savage just because it is a smaller package and you could actually carry that around.
in this case opinions will vary a great deal. You take a Savage and a Remington, and put them in the same stock, or simply the best stock each brand offers. Then take both rifles to the same gunsmith for a rebedding and new barrel reamed off the same reamer. Should be very close, but they won't be. The Savage out of the box has a better lock time, trigger, and case head to bolt face alignment. Add to this the engineering fact that a stretched screw thread is straiter and held rigid, while the other is floating around under pressure.
gary
Trickymissfit
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I would take a remington 700 every time over a savage. They just feel and look cheapo to me. Also for a investment they are awful. The bolt assembly on the savage just looks.. well pathetic..Remington 700's have more than proven themselves in accuracy so I don't see the accuracy argument.There is no way I would get a Lapua on a savage action.
that's why some folks drive Chevys and some folks drive Fords. I shoot both brands, and the Savage is much better engineered
gary
Trickymissfit
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I love my remingtons. But I think savage is the way to go ,yea its bulky and to heavy ,but you can load the 300 grs ers long to maxamize volocity. I don't much care about looks ,just want proformace and accuracy , and they do that .
there it is folks! The Savage action is a little longer than the Remington. To be exact the Remington is too short. And lets face it there's no quality in the Remingtons anymore
gary
in this case opinions will vary a great deal. You take a Savage and a Remington, and put them in the same stock, or simply the best stock each brand offers. Then take both rifles to the same gunsmith for a rebedding and new barrel reamed off the same reamer. Should be very close, but they won't be. The Savage out of the box has a better lock time, trigger, and case head to bolt face alignment. Add to this the engineering fact that a stretched screw thread is straiter and held rigid, while the other is floating around under pressure.
gary
That simply isn't true. If you blueprint, bed, and true them at the same quality of work, and use the same barrel quality(which means the most for accuracy), they will shoot identical. Plus the Remington will be a safer and more reliable action. There is a reason why BAT uses them as a basis of their design.
there it is folks! The Savage action is a little longer than the Remington. To be exact the Remington is too short. And lets face it there's no quality in the Remingtons anymore
gary
Clearly you have a grudge against Remington, because nothing you have said makes sense. It isn't the action, it is the chambering that MIGHT be a bit shorter. If you are using a custom barrel, that is easy to fix when you chamber your new barrel.
Eitherway my remington 700P in 338 LM fits the 300 gr SMKs just fine, and it shoots at least in the mid to high 5s ALL THE TIME. I have had it for a few years and it shoots great. Not as great as my custom 338s, but in about 200 more rounds, it will have a Lilja custom barrel on it, and I will be chambering it in 338 LM Improved.
Now if you are saying Remingtons entry level guns aren't great, well, that is true, but Savages entry level rifles of the same price are dogshite too.
If you buy a stock accutrigger Savage, it will shoot as well as a Tikka T3, Thompson Venture, Weatherby Vanguard, or any of the other 1 MOA guns. I won't touch a 700P
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Trickymissfit
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That simply isn't true. If you blueprint, bed, and true them at the same quality of work, and use the same barrel quality(which means the most for accuracy), they will shoot identical. Plus the Remington will be a safer and more reliable action. There is a reason why BAT uses them as a basis of their design.
simply amazing!! I gather that you being an engineer have this all figured out. Remington is safer??? And just how? Both actions are made of similar 4*** series steel. Bolt cross section is similar. Reciever diameter and thread size are close enough to be called the same. I've seen more than a couple Remington actions blown up, but have yet to ever see the other blown up except for the one Bob Greanleaf did on purpose. The Remingtons were also operator errors.
As for BAT, did you ever think maybe it was because they were too cheap to hire an engineering team to design their own action?
gary
Trickymissfit
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Clearly you have a grudge against Remington, because nothing you have said makes sense. It isn't the action, it is the chambering that MIGHT be a bit shorter. If you are using a custom barrel, that is easy to fix when you chamber your new barrel.
Eitherway my remington 700P in 338 LM fits the 300 gr SMKs just fine, and it shoots at least in the mid to high 5s ALL THE TIME. I have had it for a few years and it shoots great. Not as great as my custom 338s, but in about 200 more rounds, it will have a Lilja custom barrel on it, and I will be chambering it in 338 LM Improved.
Now if you are saying Remingtons entry level guns aren't great, well, that is true, but Savages entry level rifles of the same price are dogshite too.
If you buy a stock accutrigger Savage, it will shoot as well as a Tikka T3, Thompson Venture, Weatherby Vanguard, or any of the other 1 MOA guns. I won't touch a 700P
How many times do we have to reprint this! The most accurate out of the box rifles (sub $2K) are from Savage. Nothing new under the sun as it's been that way for almost twenty years. You should have put Remington in their own class of 1.5MOA guns, cause that's what 98% of them are out of the box. I shoot Remingtons, Savages, and Weatherbys, plus one lone Winchester and a couple 1885's.
The reference to action length was made to cover their shorter magazine box. Without going downstairs to measure them again, I think the Savage is about .180" longer in both short and long actions. The Winchester I might add is alittle longer (I think it's less than .100")
I'll assume that the Remington you have that shoots in the fives has the factory barrel, trigger, and stock. So I guess you must have an in with Remington like Layne Simpson did; cause nobody else seems to have one.
My favorite hunting rifle I own is a Remington by the way! But out of the box it was junk! On a perfect day it was a solid fours gun; as in four inches. It's a solid mid fours gun right now, but only after a complete rebuild. And still won't shoot with the out of the box Savages all the time. I have nothing against Remington other than they need to drop a 20Klb. Daisy Cutter on the factory and start all over
gary
Oliveralan
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While it seemsthis thread is steering a bit into a chevy vs ford type arguement... I have a question to any savage .338 lapua owners, is the .338 lapua action different than a normal 110 long action? Is the bolt diameter larger? The thread shank? Part interchangable with other 110 series rifles? Wondering if I could get a lapua bolt head, put it on my savage 116, add a fresh barrel, and be done, or if this action is specially designed for the lapua class rounds.
While it seemsthis thread is steering a bit into a chevy vs ford type arguement... I have a question to any savage .338 lapua owners, is the .338 lapua action different than a normal 110 long action? Is the bolt diameter larger? The thread shank? Part interchangable with other 110 series rifles? Wondering if I could get a lapua bolt head, put it on my savage 116, add a fresh barrel, and be done, or if this action is specially designed for the lapua class rounds.
Ill be measuring mine (110 FCP) tonight to get numbers. This is my first savage so I can't tell a small shank from a large, but I'll post measurements. I would assume the 110BA and FCP use the same action, as my rail says 110BA on it.
simply amazing!! I gather that you being an engineer have this all figured out. Remington is safer??? And just how? Both actions are made of similar 4*** series steel. Bolt cross section is similar. Reciever diameter and thread size are close enough to be called the same. I've seen more than a couple Remington actions blown up, but have yet to ever see the other blown up except for the one Bob Greanleaf did on purpose. The Remingtons were also operator errors.
As for BAT, did you ever think maybe it was because they were too cheap to hire an engineering team to design their own action?
gary
Brilliant bumpkin. Trash the best actions in the world, see how far that gets you. BAT uses Remington because the design is virtually flawless in a custom realm. UNLIKE SAVAGE. And clearly you are not an engineer. Remington's design allows for 3x the failsafes as a Savage. The only reason savages are used is because they are easier for less skilled smiths to use.
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