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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2862406" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>I shoot a lot so end up hanging around with a lot of police officers. After the bullets have impaled the targets and driven themselves into the backstop there are usually war stories over a few beers at the local saloon. In my case, not being a police officer my stories are from a real shooting war, theirs from actual experience in local urban wars. There has been much discussion about the use of pepper spray as a deterrent or means of controlling a person who is belligerent and threatening and generally causing havoc. For the most part the pepper spray does what it was designed to do. However there are times when pepper spray has failed for various reasons. In a few cases the canister failed to work. There the officer stood, pepper spray in hand, aiming as directed pressing the release...and nothing happens. Another incident when the release was pressed the spray shot off at a 45 degree angle from where it was aimed. In yet another situation when the release was pressed the spray dribbled out and over the officers hand instead of spraying out at the victim. Lastly but not the least the pepper spray did not seem to have any affect on the individual being sprayed. This was usually the case when the person causing the incident is hyped up on drugs, more often than not, lets just say a large person, weight well in excess of that of a normal large boned person who is on the heavy side. OK let's simply say a person the size of a medium sized Black Bear.</p><p></p><p> I often go up to a friends cabin up north where there are both bears and wolves to deal with. Wolves will avoid people, but they like the idea of killing the dog or dogs we are walking. We have seen bears but they mostly tend to scurry away. So far we have not surprised a Sow with cubs or things would probably be different. Two women walking through the woods with their dogs are hardly sneaking through the underbrush. Talking and laughing carries for quite a distance not to mention calling to the dog(s) to behave themselves (keep in mind these are domestic, not disciplined hunting dogs) After hearing the horror stories about pepper spray we quit carrying it on out almost daily journeys through the woods. These days I carry a S&W Model 19, she carries a S&W Model 60. Both are loaded with Buffalo Bore Heavy 357 Mag outdoorsman 180 gr hard cast bullets that are said to leave the barrel at 1400 fps. I am sure that coming out of my 4 inch barrel and her 3 inch barrel the velocity is somewhat less, but should be more than adequate to do the intended job. Another consideration is the fact that bears are incredibly fast. I don't want to be dealing with trying to get to the bear spray only to find that it is not doing its thing and then have to resort to the revolver...maybe in time??? </p><p></p><p>As far as pepper spray goes for personal protection, I don't use it anymore. There are two methods I use to take care of personal protection. 1 - Avoid areas where there is a chance of confrontation. 2 - If there is a desperate need to go somewhere where there could be a confrontation there is a Kimber Micro 9 equipped with a laser sight. Where the laser is, is where the bullet goes. </p><p></p><p>So there are my thoughts on pepper/bear spray. In conclusion I am not going to take the time to try something that may work, rather than something that definitely will work. Yes I have a concealed carry and I am also a member of USCCA, which if you are not a member you should be if for no other reason for their excellent training.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2862406, member: 118816"] I shoot a lot so end up hanging around with a lot of police officers. After the bullets have impaled the targets and driven themselves into the backstop there are usually war stories over a few beers at the local saloon. In my case, not being a police officer my stories are from a real shooting war, theirs from actual experience in local urban wars. There has been much discussion about the use of pepper spray as a deterrent or means of controlling a person who is belligerent and threatening and generally causing havoc. For the most part the pepper spray does what it was designed to do. However there are times when pepper spray has failed for various reasons. In a few cases the canister failed to work. There the officer stood, pepper spray in hand, aiming as directed pressing the release...and nothing happens. Another incident when the release was pressed the spray shot off at a 45 degree angle from where it was aimed. In yet another situation when the release was pressed the spray dribbled out and over the officers hand instead of spraying out at the victim. Lastly but not the least the pepper spray did not seem to have any affect on the individual being sprayed. This was usually the case when the person causing the incident is hyped up on drugs, more often than not, lets just say a large person, weight well in excess of that of a normal large boned person who is on the heavy side. OK let's simply say a person the size of a medium sized Black Bear. I often go up to a friends cabin up north where there are both bears and wolves to deal with. Wolves will avoid people, but they like the idea of killing the dog or dogs we are walking. We have seen bears but they mostly tend to scurry away. So far we have not surprised a Sow with cubs or things would probably be different. Two women walking through the woods with their dogs are hardly sneaking through the underbrush. Talking and laughing carries for quite a distance not to mention calling to the dog(s) to behave themselves (keep in mind these are domestic, not disciplined hunting dogs) After hearing the horror stories about pepper spray we quit carrying it on out almost daily journeys through the woods. These days I carry a S&W Model 19, she carries a S&W Model 60. Both are loaded with Buffalo Bore Heavy 357 Mag outdoorsman 180 gr hard cast bullets that are said to leave the barrel at 1400 fps. I am sure that coming out of my 4 inch barrel and her 3 inch barrel the velocity is somewhat less, but should be more than adequate to do the intended job. Another consideration is the fact that bears are incredibly fast. I don't want to be dealing with trying to get to the bear spray only to find that it is not doing its thing and then have to resort to the revolver...maybe in time??? As far as pepper spray goes for personal protection, I don't use it anymore. There are two methods I use to take care of personal protection. 1 - Avoid areas where there is a chance of confrontation. 2 - If there is a desperate need to go somewhere where there could be a confrontation there is a Kimber Micro 9 equipped with a laser sight. Where the laser is, is where the bullet goes. So there are my thoughts on pepper/bear spray. In conclusion I am not going to take the time to try something that may work, rather than something that definitely will work. Yes I have a concealed carry and I am also a member of USCCA, which if you are not a member you should be if for no other reason for their excellent training. [/QUOTE]
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