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<blockquote data-quote="CONatureBoy" data-source="post: 2214377" data-attributes="member: 118769"><p>You might also consider a 280 AI. Relatively easy to buy or form the brass, and buy 7mm bullets. I shoot the Berger VLD 168 grain in a 280 Remington and the Berger VLD 180 grain in a 280 AI. I love both bullets in those calibers. My AI sends the 180-grain bullet at just over 3,000 fps. I don't notice the difference in kick between either 280 and my 264 Win Mag. The question of how far out a bullet will kill an elk is about kinetic energy at impact and bullet construction. In my opinion a Berger bullet arriving with 1,500 ft-lbs of kinetic energy is an ethical shot, if you can shoot reliably into a 10" target at the distance. The 180-grain VLD exiting the 280 AI at 3,000 fps at typical Rocky Mountain altitude/temperature conditions is good for that energy beyond 1,000 yards. The 156-grain Berger EOL exiting my 264 Win Mag at the same speed is good to nearly a grand. (Neither load is hot.) Even on this forum, my guess is not many shooters are capable at those ranges. Certainly I'm not (yet). My rifle is better than its owner.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CONatureBoy, post: 2214377, member: 118769"] You might also consider a 280 AI. Relatively easy to buy or form the brass, and buy 7mm bullets. I shoot the Berger VLD 168 grain in a 280 Remington and the Berger VLD 180 grain in a 280 AI. I love both bullets in those calibers. My AI sends the 180-grain bullet at just over 3,000 fps. I don't notice the difference in kick between either 280 and my 264 Win Mag. The question of how far out a bullet will kill an elk is about kinetic energy at impact and bullet construction. In my opinion a Berger bullet arriving with 1,500 ft-lbs of kinetic energy is an ethical shot, if you can shoot reliably into a 10" target at the distance. The 180-grain VLD exiting the 280 AI at 3,000 fps at typical Rocky Mountain altitude/temperature conditions is good for that energy beyond 1,000 yards. The 156-grain Berger EOL exiting my 264 Win Mag at the same speed is good to nearly a grand. (Neither load is hot.) Even on this forum, my guess is not many shooters are capable at those ranges. Certainly I'm not (yet). My rifle is better than its owner. [/QUOTE]
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