Well,I called Remington today. The LSS is in final inspection. Passed the range test. I asked what if any changes or procedures were performed on her. They lapped the bore and re-crowned the barrel. If there were material enough to do a lap job it leaves me to believe my hunch was right. They obviously lapped the the rear portion of it,as you can't lap the muzzle without cutting off an inch or two. If I'm not mistaken it tends to trumpet or funnel a bit and needs to be cut back and crowned. Could be the first few inches of the bore was tighter than the muzzle end. At any rate,I'll give her a wringing out when she gets back. Hopefully all will be peachy. If not it will be a 7 RM this time next year.
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I started in the tool and die trade in 1979. I have a firm grasp of just what you are saying. When you consider the shear number of blanks handled by all the major and minor manufacturers,including Uncle Sam, oversights happen. I can't explain why or how something as crude as a rifling broach could falter,but I've seen EDM tolerances that would amaze the production rifle biz. A tolerance is just that. A playing field of upper and lower limits. I don't expect bore and groove dimensions to go out 5 decimal places. I don't expect every pipe installed on a production rifle to be straight. As long as they make it right in a timely manner. Overall they do a super job. 1 MOA or less is/has been common for me with out of the box Remingtons. Just got a dud this time.
The LSS came home yesterday. My only complaint thus far was the bore was quite dirty. I cleaned her up and mounted a new Leupold VXII 4X- 12X in dual dovetail Leupy mounts. I hope to fire her after work tomorrow. They supplied 2 groups fired on their test rang. I assume from a mechanical rest. The average was .960" for two 3 shot groups. I was surprised to see the note on the target that said they were hand loads. I figured they would use one of the middle of the road factory offerings. The load used to test her out was 69.8 gr of IMR 4350 and a Sierra 180gr Match. I can live with that charge for sure. 1 MOA is OK too. I think I'll give my 180 TTSXs a try though. Or the Accu Bond. Don't think I'll head to the elk bushes with the Sierra Match. Pretty pleased thus far. We shall see.
Well,I made it out to the range this morning. Took an assortment of 180s over 7828 for giggles. To my surprise,the Scirocco 2 shot 3 into 7/8" at 100yds. The forth took it out to bout 1 1/4". From what I've heard about the Scirocco being finicky, I was surprised it did that well first go around. Now the old TTSX was the usual quality qroup. 4 into .660" via 76 grains of 7828 in a Federal case seated to 3.515" . I'd post a pic but this Ubuntu operating system is a pain processing pics. If I feel ambitious later I may wade into it. I guess Remington saved this one from the action wrench. For now anyway. I keep reading posts on the net about the 7mm Mashburn . Always thinking,lol.
Niles Coyote
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Factory barreled actions , bedded into replacement stocks by me...
243 sps varmint
and at 1000y
308 sps tactical
223 sps tactical, groups a little wide but that is what happens when you are using a 223 at 1000y and are not a real good wind reader.
The factory SPS stocks suck... but I have no complaints about how they shoot...
243 sps varmint
and at 1000y
308 sps tactical
223 sps tactical, groups a little wide but that is what happens when you are using a 223 at 1000y and are not a real good wind reader.
The factory SPS stocks suck... but I have no complaints about how they shoot...
Sargesniper
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Nice shooting, I just bought a Rem. 700 Varmint in .308 and hope to begin it's transfomation soon. Will do away with the stock and trigger to start. May take a while but i am patient. I couldn't pass up the price for a new rifle that was at Cabellas for the same price that Brownells wants for the action alone. As far as i can tell the quality of the barrel and receiver are the same as the ones i have gotten in the past. I got the ADL model. The stock and the trigger guard are a joke at best. The last Rem. i bought had an H&S precision stock but the cost was higher also. Seems like they would at least use some sort of metal for the trigger guard though. The bore seemed pretty smooth while cleaning it. I will do a good bit of polishing on the bore before breaking in. All in all, the quality of barrel and receiver are on par with the older ones. Maybe a few corners were cut but it seems like a sound rifle to me. ............... Larry
joeycoates
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Well, this is only at 100 yards but it was a .16" group. Remington 700 VLS .243 shooting Hornady 105gr A-Max over 43.5gr RL-22 seated .020 off lands.
Box stock although it is going to get a new trigger. I cannot complain...
Please ignore the .45 holes my father decided to add. Group is 1" left centered. Then adjusted to hit center and from there to hit 1.4" high for 200 yard zero. Their shooting quality seems to be fine to me, my 7mm Rem Mag shoots very well too.
Box stock although it is going to get a new trigger. I cannot complain...
Please ignore the .45 holes my father decided to add. Group is 1" left centered. Then adjusted to hit center and from there to hit 1.4" high for 200 yard zero. Their shooting quality seems to be fine to me, my 7mm Rem Mag shoots very well too.
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jakes10mm
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My first Remington 700's were bought within the last 2 years and I have no complaints. First was a 300 Win Mag Cabela's special on clearance that prints 3/4" groups at 100yds. Recently took it to a 200/300/500yd Ground Hog shoot and pleased with the results (my first shooting at 500yds). After the match, threw a few rounds at their 1054yd 31" plate. Seemed plenty accurate; realized that 3-9x optics are marginal for 1000+ yards.
Second Rem 700 was another Cabela's Special edition in 30-06 (decision based on the performance of the 300). This rifle is printing 1/2" groups at 100yds straight from the box. Haven't bedded and floated this rifle yet.....winter project.
Third Rem 700 is a 1988 Classic in 35 Whelen. New in the box; favorite gun shop bought it from the "investor" who collected the yearly Classic models. The factory lube in this rifle had hardened from sitting. We cleaned it before leaving the shop. Have only had this rifle to the range twice. First visit was at 50yds to sight in the scope. First two shots out of this "new rifle" were touching.
I was at Cabela's this week and asked one of the gun counter associates which brand they sells the best. His answer was Savage. He added that the new Remingtons were "junk" and he wouldn't buy one. He did say that he'd love a 700 action with a Savage barrel.
Overall, I've been happy with recent rifles I have owned. The market has raised the bar on out-of-the-box accuracy. I have not had any issues with Remington, Winchester, Savage or Ruger rifles.
Second Rem 700 was another Cabela's Special edition in 30-06 (decision based on the performance of the 300). This rifle is printing 1/2" groups at 100yds straight from the box. Haven't bedded and floated this rifle yet.....winter project.
Third Rem 700 is a 1988 Classic in 35 Whelen. New in the box; favorite gun shop bought it from the "investor" who collected the yearly Classic models. The factory lube in this rifle had hardened from sitting. We cleaned it before leaving the shop. Have only had this rifle to the range twice. First visit was at 50yds to sight in the scope. First two shots out of this "new rifle" were touching.
I was at Cabela's this week and asked one of the gun counter associates which brand they sells the best. His answer was Savage. He added that the new Remingtons were "junk" and he wouldn't buy one. He did say that he'd love a 700 action with a Savage barrel.
Overall, I've been happy with recent rifles I have owned. The market has raised the bar on out-of-the-box accuracy. I have not had any issues with Remington, Winchester, Savage or Ruger rifles.
cholla chomper
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I have two 700's one in 22-250 and one in .223 my 22-250 had a sporter barrel and shot ok 1" groups the first few rounds and as the barrel warmed up the spread became larger1 1/2 to 2" were the norm, The stocks are junk and have pressure points along the barrel make the barrel move as the barrel heats up and it bothered me greatly, I found a new take off in a varmint barrel it also was marked target only and installed it and the head space cut after break in I replaced the stock and it is floated to the action the groups went to .3 inch and extremely pleased. The .223 I bought new with a varmint barrel after about 50 rounds I bought a boyd's stock for it and it is fully floated and worked up a load for it and am pleased with the .29 I shot with it a few weeks ago at the range. For the most part I think the quality in the gun is very good but remington went to the cheap side with the stocks and reduced the shooting quality of the rifle.
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I only own one Remington. I buy Savage and Tikka because they offer a discount to hunter education instructors as do most companies and Remington offers nothing.
The gun is a CDL LE SF in .17 Rem. Fireball. Shoots 1/2" 5 shot groups with handloaded Bergers. Very happy with the accuracy given all I had done was trigger work.
We need to remember gun companies are not making guns for guys like us on this forum.
I recently got a Tikka T3 and a Savage Model 12. The Savage gets my nod.
The gun is a CDL LE SF in .17 Rem. Fireball. Shoots 1/2" 5 shot groups with handloaded Bergers. Very happy with the accuracy given all I had done was trigger work.
We need to remember gun companies are not making guns for guys like us on this forum.
I recently got a Tikka T3 and a Savage Model 12. The Savage gets my nod.
Jim in Cali
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I owned a nice 1980's BDL but sold it 15 years later. I prefer the Winchester action myself.
mightyman
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Well, this has been an interesting thread to say the least. Almost like asking which powder and bullet to use in a particular rifle.
I am left handed, and only have purchased LH rifles, and that makes my search that much harder. All of my rifles are Remington 700's LH and shoot extremely well, 1/2-1 inch. I do have an exceptional shooter, Magnum research LH, Sako action 7mm that shoots the lights out with any bullets, easy 1/2 inch, factory loads also.
I finally found a Remington CDL, LH in 243 back in Oct that I always had plans to turn into a better rifle with the help of Clarance Hammonds in PA.
I purchased it used, but barely with only a few down the pipe, and thus gave it a through cleaning before use. I put the scope on it, loaded some factory 100 Grain nosler partitions in it and dialed it in.
The last group, was 1 inch.
I am going to try some other bullet options, but not bad for a Remington, factory ammo, and just one bullet option.
I am not closed to other rifle options, like Savage as I have heard great things about their ability.
However, I personally have not found the trouble with Remington, others are having here, not exactly sure what the answer is, but I am happy with mine...
Mighty Man
I am left handed, and only have purchased LH rifles, and that makes my search that much harder. All of my rifles are Remington 700's LH and shoot extremely well, 1/2-1 inch. I do have an exceptional shooter, Magnum research LH, Sako action 7mm that shoots the lights out with any bullets, easy 1/2 inch, factory loads also.
I finally found a Remington CDL, LH in 243 back in Oct that I always had plans to turn into a better rifle with the help of Clarance Hammonds in PA.
I purchased it used, but barely with only a few down the pipe, and thus gave it a through cleaning before use. I put the scope on it, loaded some factory 100 Grain nosler partitions in it and dialed it in.
The last group, was 1 inch.
I am going to try some other bullet options, but not bad for a Remington, factory ammo, and just one bullet option.
I am not closed to other rifle options, like Savage as I have heard great things about their ability.
However, I personally have not found the trouble with Remington, others are having here, not exactly sure what the answer is, but I am happy with mine...
Mighty Man
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I bought a Rem 700 Police Tactical in the mid 90s for some dept. shoots. It was before I reloaded and only used Federal match ammo without much success. Groups no better than 3'' so i did not keep it long. Bought a new then .260 in a TC and it will still shoot a .75 all day and is my Daughters rifle now.
The reason im typing this today is my New in the box CDL in 300wsm is the worst copper eating machine I or my gunsmith has ever seen. I didn't catch the copper fouling at first because my bottle of Sweets went bad and was hardly showing any cooper " my bottle had a crack in the cap" and was several years old. I took it to my GS and he showed me the bore at the muzzle and with the naked eye it looked like someone had an cooper colored crayon in it about 30 shots worth. It took 2 hours for him to clean it and a pile of patches. I brought it home to start the process all over again and on the first shoot from a clean bore it looked it the GS never cleaned it. I had picked up a bottle of Butches bore shine and got to scrubbing and waiting, and some more and some more. It took me 45mins to get that 1 shot out. I shot it two more times and two days and 4 hours later its about 95% clean. Right in front of the throat and about 6'' from and to the muzzle is were I meet most of the resistance. I contacted Remington about it and they said to send it to them, so we'll see what they will do.
The reason im typing this today is my New in the box CDL in 300wsm is the worst copper eating machine I or my gunsmith has ever seen. I didn't catch the copper fouling at first because my bottle of Sweets went bad and was hardly showing any cooper " my bottle had a crack in the cap" and was several years old. I took it to my GS and he showed me the bore at the muzzle and with the naked eye it looked like someone had an cooper colored crayon in it about 30 shots worth. It took 2 hours for him to clean it and a pile of patches. I brought it home to start the process all over again and on the first shoot from a clean bore it looked it the GS never cleaned it. I had picked up a bottle of Butches bore shine and got to scrubbing and waiting, and some more and some more. It took me 45mins to get that 1 shot out. I shot it two more times and two days and 4 hours later its about 95% clean. Right in front of the throat and about 6'' from and to the muzzle is were I meet most of the resistance. I contacted Remington about it and they said to send it to them, so we'll see what they will do.
