Remington 700 extractor verses m16 style verses sako extractor

[Greyfox]

After 45 years of competition, practice, and hunting with well over 30,000 rounds personally through the rem 700, M16 style, and Mausers bolt rifles, and observing as many or more, I can't say that any one of these extractor designs stood out as being particularly better than the others. They all have to be kept clean, and wil give problems with excessive or poorly constructed hand loads. On the other hand, I have seen failures to feed with the push feed design regardless of the extractor type. This had more to do with the feeding process then the extractors ability to extract the cartridge or spent case. If I had to concern myself with absolute reliability of a bolt rifle design, ie close quarter dangerous game, I would choose the Mauser CRF design. IMO.

 

[BountyHunter]

I personally have had two Remington magnum riveted extractors break on hunts. Had to carry a cleaning rod for the single shot.

Waste of money to just add a sake or m16 extractor. Sell the bolt and buy a PTG bolt with m16 extractor. Way cheaper, more reliable and smoother. No brainer IMO.

 

[WildRose]

I personally have had two Remington magnum riveted extractors break on hunts. Had to carry a cleaning rod for the single shot.

Waste of money to just add a sake or m16 extractor. Sell the bolt and buy a PTG bolt with m16 extractor. Way cheaper, more reliable and smoother. No brainer IMO.

No, that's considerably more expensive but it's a great product and a great way to go.

 

[brentc]

Way cheaper, more reliable and smoother. No brainer IMO.

Way cheaper and more reliable than paying $100 for an M16 extractor?

 

[WildRose]

Way cheaper and more reliable than paying $100 for an M16 extractor?

I'm not getting it either. The bolt body alone runs between 200-300.00.

A complete PT&G bolt will run around 500.00.

You can get a SAKO or M-16 extractor installed on your existing bolt for 130.00 or less depending on your smith.

 

[FEENIX]

I'm not getting it either. The bolt body alone runs between 200-300.00.

A complete PT&G bolt will run around 500.00.

You can get a SAKO or M-16 extractor installed on your existing bolt for 130.00 or less depending on your smith.

I too was wondering ... he probably just fat fingered something on his response.

 

[BountyHunter]

No, that's considerably more expensive but it's a great product and a great way to go.

Is not "considerably more expensive".

The PTG one piece bolt with M16 cut is $146-307 depending on which bolt and M16 extractor kit is $21, PTG firing pin assembly is $46. Better knobs for as little as $20.
You can sell the old remington bolt for $150 and add the $130 or more for a local smith to make the cut and install the M16. So maybe $50-100 difference and comes already threaded for new bolt knob which is at least another $50 if you have it done. Plus their firing pin assembly is better than the Remington.

Plus even if it was a little more expensive I will take reliability and better PTG bolt always over the pittance of extra cost even if that was true. Been there done that to many times to fall for that BS of $500 PTG bolts as the norm, but I have seen **** near that much spent on modifying a **** Remington bolt with facing, fluting, knobs, new extractor etc.

It is amazing that guys will spend thousands on scopes, barrels, etc and try to scrimp (to save $50-100) on the heart of the setup, the bolt and action with something less reliable on a hunt that might cost them thousands again. Been burned twice on **** riveted extractors on Remington bolts and never again. But each to his own until they live and learn.

 

[brentc]

Is not "considerably more expensive".

The PTG one piece bolt with M16 cut is $146-307 depending on which bolt and M16 extractor kit is $21, PTG firing pin assembly is $46. Better knobs for as little as $20.
You can sell the old remington bolt for $150 and add the $130 or more for a local smith to make the cut and install the M16. So maybe $50-100 difference and comes already threaded for new bolt knob which is at least another $50 if you have it done. Plus their firing pin assembly is better than the Remington.

Plus even if it was a little more expensive I will take reliability and better PTG bolt always over the pittance of extra cost even if that was true. Been there done that to many times to fall for that BS of $500 PTG bolts as the norm, but I have seen **** near that much spent on modifying a **** Remington bolt with facing, fluting, knobs, new extractor etc.

It is amazing that guys will spend thousands on scopes, barrels, etc and try to scrimp (to save $50-100) on the heart of the setup, the bolt and action with something less reliable on a hunt that might cost them thousands again. Been burned twice on **** riveted extractors on Remington bolts and never again. But each to his own until they live and learn.

I still have hard time seeing that the juice is worth the squeeze to put a PTG bolt in a Rem.

 

[WildRose]

Is not "considerably more expensive".

The PTG one piece bolt with M16 cut is $146-307 depending on which bolt and M16 extractor kit is $21, PTG firing pin assembly is $46. Better knobs for as little as $20.
You can sell the old remington bolt for $150 and add the $130 or more for a local smith to make the cut and install the M16. So maybe $50-100 difference and comes already threaded for new bolt knob which is at least another $50 if you have it done. Plus their firing pin assembly is better than the Remington.

Plus even if it was a little more expensive I will take reliability and better PTG bolt always over the pittance of extra cost even if that was true. Been there done that to many times to fall for that BS of $500 PTG bolts as the norm, but I have seen **** near that much spent on modifying a **** Remington bolt with facing, fluting, knobs, new extractor etc.

It is amazing that guys will spend thousands on scopes, barrels, etc and try to scrimp (to save $50-100) on the heart of the setup, the bolt and action with something less reliable on a hunt that might cost them thousands again. Been burned twice on **** riveted extractors on Remington bolts and never again. But each to his own until they live and learn.

What I stated is completely accurate and the prices taken directly from PT&G's website.

It is considerably more expensive, that's not even arguable, it is however as I said a great product and a great way to go.

As I said, I'm no fan of the Rem factory extractors either it's probably the single biggest flaw in their design which is why I too recommend going with either the SAKO or M-16 extractor.

 

[Canadian Bushman]

The remington rivited extractor is a great design when you consider its purpose was to fit inside the "three rings of steel." If you get a good one and dont abuse it they usually work fine and offer plenty of extraction.

Compared to a sako or mini m16/m16, its no contest. The sako/m16 design is far stronger, and offers much more extraction, but it also comprimises remington's bolt design. For that reason alone i would choose the m16 design to replace the rem ext. because it is pinned.

I still have hard time seeing that the juice is worth the squeeze to put a PTG bolt in a Rem.

Its really not worth it. Its a band aid improvement that i would disregard in loo for a custom action.

But when that forethought eludes you and you have a rem action and want to improve it, the ptg bolt is nonetheless an improvement.

 

[BountyHunter]

What I stated is completely accurate and the prices taken directly from PT&G's website.

It is considerably more expensive, that's not even arguable, it is however as I said a great product and a great way to go.

As I said, I'm no fan of the Rem factory extractors either it's probably the single biggest flaw in their design which is why I too recommend going with either the SAKO or M-16 extractor.

What I quoted was completely accurate and straight from the PTG website also that day.

If you do not think it is worth the squeeze do not do it. Live and Learn though, my hunts are too **** important to rely on that type breakage. I will also always opt for a custom especially in a magnum.

Also, if anyone thinks that there is not a record of problems with Remington extractors. Take a look at this thread.
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...t-which-is-the-best-extractor-system.3802179/

 

[Greyfox]

I checked my shooting log and have fired about 6000 rounds through four Rem 700's, three 308's and a 300WM. No extractor issues. I do make an effort to clean the bolt face and extractor of residue and brass shavings after every shooting session which I think could be a contributor to damaged extractor as can forcing a tight spent case from the chamber,

 

[MtnMagic]

I have a Remington 700 5R Mil-spec chambered in 300 Win Mag. After the third round was fired, the bolt came back without the brass. I pushed it out with the cleaning rod, and after inspection I realized the extractor was broke.
I contacted Remington and they wanted me to send them the rifle for inspection / repair. Of course this meant pulling the scope and mounts and having my new rifle gone for three to six months (That is what Remington told me to expect). Instead I had our local gunsmith install a sako extractor and have had no problems since.

 

[FEENIX]

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