Rebarrel ideas

[xsn10s]

I know many are raving about the 22 creed but more I look at it why not use a 243 with a twist rate for 75-80 grain bullets made? or am i missing something? thanks

It really boils down to a couple of things. Do you want to keep the pelts? And how much do you want to practice? 223 with the right loads can be easier than the more powerful rounds on pelts. And the barrel life should be longer so you'll get a lot of practice. If I had a bolt rifle in 223 I'd be chambering it in 223 AI. My 260 AI may end up as a 22-250 AI fast twist someday.

 

[Three44s]

I'd go with a no turn neck 6BR. But you'll have to get a different bolt. You pretty limited using a 223 bolt.

I suggest that cartridge as well. The catch besides bolt face used is that the BR is short enough that it can pose feeding issues from the magazine. Also the barrel twist is critical and needs to thoroughly thought out with regards to what bullet weight range you intend to shoot.

If you are already leaning 243 then you have to work around the bolt face issue. Accuracy is outstanding and barrel life is very good.

Best regards

Three44s

 

[Cash Is King]

We did a bunch of 6x45s a few years back (12 of them IIRC).

Recent load development on lightweight 55s

Data straight from the Accurate website.

3,460 FPS with a Nosler 55 SP FB (the ones I was selling for a dime each).

SDs suck and the BCs also... but to 200-250 yards... 3,500+/- makes for a nasty little RPG.

How much lead on a running coyote?

NONE

 

[Cash Is King]

Backstory here... if interested.

https://vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1179037

Actually it was 9 we made... not 12.

.223 brass is about free... so not much on cost to load.

 

[KR260]

I am by no means an accomplished coyote hunter want to be. Especially when i can finally move out of commi CA! With that said I have two 223's in the safe both tack drivers. One is a tikka superlite the other is a Remington LSS. I am contemplating rebarreling the Remington into another caliber for dogs and long range plinking and practice to keep round count down on my 280ai and sons 6.5 saum. I know many are raving about the 22 creed but more I look at it why not use a 243 with a twist rate for 75-80 grain bullets made? or am i missing something? thanks

Unless you can find another Tikka bolt cheap enough, I would go 223 AI with a 1-8" or 1-7" barrel depending on how heavy of bullets you want to shoot. My factory 1-8" Tikka 223 varmint is a tack driver with 75gr ELDMs at 3025fps with H4895. I am using AICS mags and loading them to 2.49" coal. It shoots the 53gr V-max pretty good too, but I have only played with them, nothing serious yet. My next barrel will be a 1-7" 223AI so I can play with the 80 and 88gr ELDMs.

You will need a new bolt or have a smith open up the face for anything that is not a 223 case head. The 224 Valkyrie isn't anything special in a bolt gun when you compare it to a 223 AI in a bolt gun.

 

[xsn10s]

My next barrel will be a 1-7" 223AI so I can play with the 80 and 88gr ELDMs.

Yup that's what I would do if I wanted to run the 80 and 88gr ELDM. That might be the route I go if I decide to build a 22-250 AI.

 

[hwy1strat]

I would go 243win. It is a great cartridge and you could use it on deer if you wanted to as well. Also, I love hunting coyote and other varmints, but i don't want to throw expensive ammo at them. You can buy bulk 243win ammo, with 70-95gr bullets, for around $0.50/round. The Nosler Dogtown and Varmeggedon stuff is phenomenal ammo too

 

[KR260]

U guys mentioning the 223Ai got me thinking my tikka superlite 223 is a 1:8. Prob should leave the rem alone and punch that one to an AI

If you have the existing barrel re-chambered, make sure it is done right. Some guys will ream them with an AI reamer and call it good. It needs to be set back a touch and then re-chambered to be done correctly. Below is a link to an article that tells how to do it the right way.

https://rifleshooter.com/2016/11/223-ackley-improved-223ai-loads-and-review-a-better-223/

 

[KR260]

My AR (my main predator gun) has a 16" 1-8 twist Wilson combat barrel on it in 5.56. I have two loads for it. My go to coyote load is 40gr vmax over benchmark and a cci primer. It's going about 3500fps at the muzzle. Most coyotes hit with it drop without a twitch. My other load is a 70gr Barnes tsx at a touch over 2800fps. I have seen a deer get wrecked with that load and I'll say it was extremely effective.

I'm assuming your tikka has a barrel longer that 16" so you could probably get 70-80gr bullet going 2800 I would think. Maybe faster like 2900-3000 with the ai version.

My primary coyote rifle is also a 1-8" AR, 18" barrel. I run the 50 gr V-max at 3100 fps and have't had an exit on coyotes, but they are hard on cats. I loaded some 40 gr Vmax for cats, but they don't buck the Kansas wind as good. I did load some 60gr Partitions for deer, but haven't shot any with them. I have been amazed at how well the 1-8" barrel shoots a big range of bullet weights. All 3 of the above loads are within 1/2" of each other at 100 yards.

 

[KR260]

I'd go with a no turn neck 6BR. But you'll have to get a different bolt. You pretty limited using a 223 bolt.

I just built a 22BR on a Tikka 270 that I bought for the action and trigger. I am getting 3005fps with a mild load of H4895 and 88gr EDLM with a 1-7" barrel. It is my PRS match rifle for this year. Hardly any recoil and has a BC very close to a 6mm 105 hybrid. It is the gun in my avatar.

 

[Chase723]

If you plan to shoot anything else with it then 1:7.5 or 1:7 243 win or 6 Creed for factory stuff. If you want a little extra velocity to get you to 1400 with excellent barrel life get a 6 Comp Match. Easy to fireform the brass from standard 243 win. Just did initial step in load development yesterday with one of mine. 105gr Berger 49.2gr H1000=3236fps. I would bet that if I switched to Retumbo I'd get 3300. Based on others experience, barrel life should be 3000-4000 rounds and you rarely have to trim your brass. Basically, if you put the time in to fireform brass then you get twice the barrel life. If you're not shooting competitions where you are worried about losing brass then it's hard to beat.

You could also do 6xc but give up 2-300fps, but it'll make it 1000.

You could just run the 243 hot (like a 115gr DTAC at 3000-3100 fps) buy barrels 2-3x as often, but not have to mess with fireforming at all. If you honestly don't shoot 500-1000+ rounds/year then that would probably be the way that I'd go.

If it's only going to be for yotes then a 22 Creed with a 1:6 is the ticket. Yes barrel life is 1200 rounds but they will be an excellent 1200 rounds.

 

[xsn10s]

With that said I have two 223's in the safe both tack drivers. One is a tikka superlite the other is a Remington LSS. I am contemplating rebarreling the Remington into another caliber for dogs and long range plinking and practice to keep round count down on my 280ai and sons 6.5 saum.

Another option is to just run with what you have. Your Remington is probably a slower twist so use a 50 something grain bullet that shoots well. And run a heavier bullet in the Tikka. If you don't care about pelts use the 280 Ai or 6.5 SAUM for the long rang stuff. If you are out in BLM where there are open range cattle build a specialized rifle for longer range that won't ricochet badly and your set.

 

[KR260]

Without buying new bolts for either rifle, the OP is limited to 223 based rounds.

 

[Blacktail]

Thanks for all the info guys and refreshing my memory on the 223ai idea habe plenty of options for big game with the 280ai and 6.5 saum is def be a practice yote gun. Appreciate the help I'm thinking 223ai May be way tingo