Really!

[Chrsm]

I've refused to pay for product's that where available. Not paying 1 dollar each for plinking fmj, just not doing it. I've also expressed pricing with vendors........I don't think they really care to much.......so I'll buy as I always have, good price I'll take it, if I need it at the time our not.

 

[orkan]

Reloading products and I'll leave the name out. Anyone that has been cruising the sights looking for components can see who has raised prices and who has not. Len doesn't want us bad mouthing companies so I will not.

So anyone that raises their prices is wrong? Every vendor I've purchased from raises their prices every year. As demand increases, so too must prices, or a company will be run straight into the ground. Grafs is THREE WEEKS behind on shipping orders.

Raw materials and supply chain costs are ALL going up dramatically. Any company that isn't increasing it's prices is selling old stock and violating a major rule of business in the process. There is not one distributor I work with that hasn't raised its prices this quarter. This is all just getting started. Anyone that is not planning for massive cost increases across every aspect of their life this year, is going to be caught with their pants down, YET AGAIN. Despite the fact that I've been telling people this for nearly a year... people still don't want to listen and keep trying to play the blame game.

Pointing fingers won't put food on your plate in december. Why is it that the majority of consumers talk like they would enjoy running firearms related companies out of business?

 

[Chrsm]

So anyone that raises their prices is wrong? Every vendor I've purchased from raises their prices every year. As demand increases, so too must prices, or a company will be run straight into the ground. Grafs is THREE WEEKS behind on shipping orders.

Raw materials and supply chain costs are ALL going up dramatically. Any company that isn't increasing it's prices is selling old stock and violating a major rule of business in the process. There is not one distributor I work with that hasn't raised its prices this quarter. This is all just getting started. Anyone that is not planning for massive cost increases across every aspect of their life this year, is going to be caught with their pants down, YET AGAIN. Despite the fact that I've been telling people this for nearly a year... people still don't want to listen and keep trying to play the blame game.

Pointing fingers won't put food on your plate in december. Why is it that the majority of consumers talk like they would enjoy running firearms related companies out of business?

What happens when people just stop buying because they just can't afford it? I know that if I want to continue shooting I have to look around for the best deals. Yes dry fire bla bla bla. Maybe I should practice dry loading too!

 

[eklarsen]

Only in America can you have a once in a lifetime boom in your business and due to your lack of planning capacity\capabilities blame your customers for the issue. I guarantee you if that happened at my place of business they would have tossed me out after the first couple months of shortages.

 

[orkan]

Only in America can you have a once in a lifetime boom in your business and due to your lack of planning capacity\capabilities blame your customers for the issue. I guarantee you if that happened at my place of business they would have tossed me out after the first couple months of shortages.

This has happened 3 times in the past 30 years. I'd hardly call that "once in a lifetime."

 

[orkan]

What happens when people just stop buying because they just can't afford it?

If people would stop buying it, the prices would come down. They'd come down until it no longer became profitable to produce, in which case they shut down production and go out of business. Which it seems is what many of you want. Then you won't get to buy the things that you constantly complain about being too expensive.

In the short term, people that can't afford things have to improve their financial situation or find a different hobby. No one but YOU is responsible for what you decide to purchase. You can dislike that if you want, but no one is responsible for your situation other than you.

These things often fall directly into the category of; if they need to be explained, you will not understand anyway. I consider this all to be very self evident. Though I do consider myself fully responsible for how my life goes. No one owes me anything. If I want something, I set about getting it. No one is going to bring it to me. If they did, it would have no value. It needs to be earned in order to mean anything.

All of you that are standing around trying to blame everyone else... you just really have no concept of the harm you're doing to yourselves. It's sad to see. Even still, rather than take this spurring and set off in a positive direction, you'll get angry with me and blame me for stating the painfully obvious.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

So anyone that raises their prices is wrong? Every vendor I've purchased from raises their prices every year. As demand increases, so too must prices, or a company will be run straight into the ground. Grafs is THREE WEEKS behind on shipping orders.

Raw materials and supply chain costs are ALL going up dramatically. Any company that isn't increasing it's prices is selling old stock and violating a major rule of business in the process. There is not one distributor I work with that hasn't raised its prices this quarter. This is all just getting started. Anyone that is not planning for massive cost increases across every aspect of their life this year, is going to be caught with their pants down, YET AGAIN. Despite the fact that I've been telling people this for nearly a year... people still don't want to listen and keep trying to play the blame game.

Pointing fingers won't put food on your plate in december. Why is it that the majority of consumers talk like they would enjoy running firearms related companies out of business?

I think there is a diff between raising prices because the cost of raw material, taxes, shipping, etc have gone up vs there is a hurricane coming so I am going to raise the price of bottled water and gasoline.

Yes I understand supply and demand. I also understand price gouging.

 

[DJ Fergus]

There's got to be more to this, lack of Ammo and components. We get told that production is up! But nothing ever hits the distributors, gun shops, box stores..... what is really going on here? Last time there was at least a trickle. This time nothing! I'm very skeptical.

Don't worry, It may be a while or a long while but there's gong to be some cheap components out there for sale when the hoarders realized they will never use what they bought up. I can't tell you how many people I know who has never reloaded that has bought up all kinds of components. Chances are..... They won't ever start reloading. Those same people are setting on enough factory loaded ammo to last a lifetime.

 

[orkan]

I also understand price gouging.

Price gouging doesn't exist. It's a made-up term used to alleviate people's guilt in perpetrating crimes against people that have something they want.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Price gouging doesn't exist. It's a made-up term used to alleviate people's guilt in perpetrating crimes against people that have something they want.

So if you own a sporting goods store and a customer comes in from out if town needing a rifle, because his was damaged on the way there, for the hunt of a lifetime. You think it would be a good idea to double the price of the rifle because his need is higher? After all it is just supply and demand. There is no such thing as gouging.

 

[HockeyDad]

Raw materials and supply chain costs are ALL going up dramatically.

The price of copper to jacket bullets is almost double what it was a year ago. Then again, I work for a copper mining company, so I am happy about that.

 

[Rich Coyle]

Price gouging doesn't exist. It's a made-up term used to alleviate people's guilt in perpetrating crimes against people that have something they want.

Is that why the southern states have laws against price gouging?! Your personal philosophy does not establish facts.

 

[orkan]

So if you own a sporting goods store and a customer comes in from out if town needing a rifle, because his was damaged on the way there, for the hunt of a lifetime. You think it would be a good idea to double the price of the rifle because his need is higher? After all it is just supply and demand. There is no such thing as gouging.

I think that would be morally wrong, and I'd be against it. However, no entity should be able to force that sporting goods store to modify its behavior. There will be a price that immoral person will pay, but it isn't the place of any of us to visit that price upon them.

I will not be drawn into an argument about it, nor will I entertain the connection between what is right and just as it correlates to the "law." People seem to enjoy weaponizing the law when it suits them, and would defang it when it doesn't. The law has been twisted into the same justifications for immoral injustice across the entire world. Always has.

There is no moral argument for forcing the cooperation of another. As a result, any justification for forcing that cooperation is simply an attempt to assuage guilt on the part of the person claiming rights to another persons property.

You either believe in individual liberty always, or you don't believe in it ever. You don't get to have it both ways. The very term "price gouging" is reliant upon the judgement of value of what you have, by someone else. You don't get to set the value of what someone else owns. Period. The moral obligation that person has to provide fair prices is a matter between them and their creator. There will be a price to pay for immoral acts. I'm quite sure of that. Though it is not my place to judge. What is theirs, is THEIRS. I have no claim or right to it.

People either understand that, or they support communism and socialism, no matter their claim to the contrary.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

I think that would be morally wrong, and I'd be against it. However, no entity should be able to force that sporting goods store to modify its behavior. There will be a price that immoral person will pay, but it isn't the place of any of us to visit that price upon them.

I will not be drawn into an argument about it, nor will I entertain the connection between what is right and just as it correlates to the "law." People seem to enjoy weaponizing the law when it suits them, and would defang it when it doesn't. The law has been twisted into the same justifications for immoral injustice across the entire world. Always has.

There is no moral argument for forcing the cooperation of another. As a result, any justification for forcing that cooperation is simply an attempt to assuage guilt on the part of the person claiming rights to another persons property.

You either believe in individual liberty always, or you don't believe in it ever. You don't get to have it both ways. The very term "price gouging" is reliant upon the judgement of value of what you have, by someone else. You don't get to set the value of what someone else owns. Period. The moral obligation that person has to provide fair prices is a matter between them and their creator. There will be a price to pay for immoral acts. I'm quite sure of that. Though it is not my place to judge. What is theirs, is THEIRS. I have no claim or right to it.

People either understand that, or they support communism and socialism, no matter their claim to the contrary.

I am glad to know that you have a personal moral limit. The problem with your black and white analysis is if done your way there would be no laws only the pentance paid at life's end. Sounds much like anarchy.