MikeMurf0505
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I'll take it over the Xmark "pro" trigger anytime.
Quiet possibly the best factory guns you can buy
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I'll take it over the Xmark "pro" trigger anytime.
MikeMurf0505
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Quit posting this crap. If you tell everyone, everyone will want one. Then Savage will start charging more.
Hey everybody, Savage rifles are going up in price, better get yours NOW!!!!
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Some very interesting concepts, but I'm not sure I really like the floating bolt head or the bedding rails. I think I prefer a lapped and trued bolt.
Lapped and trued?
Which FACTORY rifle is "lapped and trued" these days? Please tell me so I can buy one.
Lapped and trued?
Which FACTORY rifle is "lapped and trued" these days? Please tell me so I can buy one.
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consistantly out shoot say a Sendero
I own a Sendero.
It shoots very well now, but I originally bought it in October of 2008 and had to send it back for defects, then do a bunch of work to it to settle it in.
My original forearm was a Rem. Model 788.
I would put that gun up against anything currently made by anyone.
Remington does not make that gun anymore, and in my humble opinion is not making that quality level at all anymore.
I own a Sendero.
It shoots very well now, but I originally bought it in October of 2008 and had to send it back for defects, then do a bunch of work to it to settle it in.
My original forearm was a Rem. Model 788.
I would put that gun up against anything currently made by anyone.
Remington does not make that gun anymore, and in my humble opinion is not making that quality level at all anymore.
MontanaRifleman
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My point was that I am not sure I like the floating bolt head concept period. And if that means buying a factory rifle with a bolt that needs to be lapped and trued, so be it.
I own two Senderos and both shoot very well with no work done to them at all, including no bolt lug lapping. Have never shot a Savage, so comparing would be tough. But for factory rifles, I'm real happy with the Senderos.
I've read a lot of good things about the 788's.
-Mark
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My first 788 was a 243 with a 24" barrel. I never bought a scope for it because I never missed at any range out to 300 (I was 17 then).
My second was an 18.5" barrel .308. I used to wood chuck out to 350 with that gun and hit crows in the head with accellerators (4,000 FPS 22 calibur rounds with a sabot wrapped around them to ride down the 30 cal tube....NIIIICE).
I had great faith in Remiongton and they did make it right at the end.
Savage is now doing the best factory job in my opinion.
My second was an 18.5" barrel .308. I used to wood chuck out to 350 with that gun and hit crows in the head with accellerators (4,000 FPS 22 calibur rounds with a sabot wrapped around them to ride down the 30 cal tube....NIIIICE).
I had great faith in Remiongton and they did make it right at the end.
Savage is now doing the best factory job in my opinion.
Oliveralan
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I love my savage, it's a great gun and shoots pretty darn good for a barrel as thick as a sharpie. Recommended one to my dad for his 300 whisper build and will definetely be buying more in the future. Have 2 remington 700s and one savage, will probably get a model 70 sometime too just so i can see which one fits me best. So far, savage is in the lead, i feel their bolt is smoother and out of the box, more accurate.
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I would be lying if I didnt say that I am hoping remington rebounds from this "slump" they are in.
The Xmark pro trigger is ****.
General quality is down, although they still CAN make the best rifle in the factory market IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
Savage is doing it, and doing it right.
The Xmark pro trigger is ****.
General quality is down, although they still CAN make the best rifle in the factory market IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
Savage is doing it, and doing it right.
lewwetzel
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Really like my Remingtons, and will grudgingly admit that Savage has come around, but: from now on, it's only Cooper and/or C-Z for me!
pablo
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I own a few Savages and a few Remingtons. I probably won't buy another Savage until someone makes a readily available good trigger. Like Jewell. I have had three different triggers on my 204 Savage. The best trigger will only operate reliably down to a pound. In my book, this is too heavy for a serious rifle.
The floating bolt head bothers me a little bit too. All top notch custom actions have a one piece design. I think if the floating bolt head was a good idea the custom builders would offer it. I think Savage uses it because they have one common bolt that uses different heads. To be fair to Savage my 204 will usually shoot sub quarter inch groups when fed good bullets. Go figure.
The floating bolt head bothers me a little bit too. All top notch custom actions have a one piece design. I think if the floating bolt head was a good idea the custom builders would offer it. I think Savage uses it because they have one common bolt that uses different heads. To be fair to Savage my 204 will usually shoot sub quarter inch groups when fed good bullets. Go figure.
liltank
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And the problem is.......? You can get custom triggers. Here is one link.
Sharp Shooter Supply - The Savage Specialists
Rifle Basix or something like that provide comp grade triggers for Savages also. The floating bolt head is part of the reason for your sub MOA groups.
Tank
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And the problem is......?
I agree. What is there not to like? I think people get hung up on a name toooo much (lovingly referred to as "tag bitches") The Savage rifle flat out shoots PERIOD
I used to be a "nothing but Remington" kinda guy. That was back in the mid 90's when the Sendero was first making it's way on to the market. Not a lot of calling for heavy barreled rifles and no one I knew shot long range or had a desire to. This is also about the time the internet was becoming "public". I didn't hear of alot of problems with these first generation Sendero's. The two that I had shot sub 1/2".
That was about 4 Savages ago. In the beginning they had their problems, like flimsy plastic (Tuperware) stocks and limited, adjustable triggers (plain sorry), but they still shot sub MOA and alot shot sub 1/2" and better.
Modern day: Savage has improved the aesthetics. Compared to what you get "off the shelf", the factory AccuTrigger is better than the rest. Remington and Winchester and a couple more introduced newer versions of junk AFTER Savage came out with theirs. If the consumer's wants/needs were important why didn't they do it first instead of doing it to keep up with Savage? This is also why Remington came out with the 710 series, to hit the "low-budget" market that Savage had wrapped up with its Wal-Mart combination scoped rifles.
AccuStock: A HS Precision it isn't. Doesn't look as good but probably functions just as well, if not better. The theory is better if you take a hard look at it.
During all this evolution the Savage barrel continues to put out. Their quality has not slipped. They relfect the America that was coming of age after the great Wars. Innovative, caring and a qualtiy product for the dollar spent. The "others" reflect the greed so common in the world today. Make another dollar no matter what.
All I can add to this is, take off your rose colored glasses and try the Savage. Really try it. Run it through the paces. It will shine....and outshine the others....pretty is as pretty does. JohnnyK.
I agree. What is there not to like? I think people get hung up on a name toooo much (lovingly referred to as "tag bitches") The Savage rifle flat out shoots PERIOD
I used to be a "nothing but Remington" kinda guy. That was back in the mid 90's when the Sendero was first making it's way on to the market. Not a lot of calling for heavy barreled rifles and no one I knew shot long range or had a desire to. This is also about the time the internet was becoming "public". I didn't hear of alot of problems with these first generation Sendero's. The two that I had shot sub 1/2".
That was about 4 Savages ago. In the beginning they had their problems, like flimsy plastic (Tuperware) stocks and limited, adjustable triggers (plain sorry), but they still shot sub MOA and alot shot sub 1/2" and better.
Modern day: Savage has improved the aesthetics. Compared to what you get "off the shelf", the factory AccuTrigger is better than the rest. Remington and Winchester and a couple more introduced newer versions of junk AFTER Savage came out with theirs. If the consumer's wants/needs were important why didn't they do it first instead of doing it to keep up with Savage? This is also why Remington came out with the 710 series, to hit the "low-budget" market that Savage had wrapped up with its Wal-Mart combination scoped rifles.
AccuStock: A HS Precision it isn't. Doesn't look as good but probably functions just as well, if not better. The theory is better if you take a hard look at it.
During all this evolution the Savage barrel continues to put out. Their quality has not slipped. They relfect the America that was coming of age after the great Wars. Innovative, caring and a qualtiy product for the dollar spent. The "others" reflect the greed so common in the world today. Make another dollar no matter what.
All I can add to this is, take off your rose colored glasses and try the Savage. Really try it. Run it through the paces. It will shine....and outshine the others....pretty is as pretty does. JohnnyK.
MikeMurf0505
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Whoever designed the Xmark"pro" trigger should be fired. IT IS JUNK.
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According to what I have read on the Sharp Shooter Web Site, you have to send him your rifle to have his trigger installed and timed. Kind of a pricey proposition. The shipping would probably be over $60 bucks plus the turn around time. In the 70's I had several factory 40X's that would routinely shoot in the teens. They had Canjar 2oz triggers on them that I bought mail order and installed myself. The light triggers really helped shoot small groups.
The quarter inch groups that my 204 Savage shoots is probably half good enough to be match accuracy at a bench rest match today. Good accuracy for sure, but not top shelf. I left out of my earlier post that it shoots that good despite the floating bolt head.
I don't think that many serious competitive shooters think much of the floating bolt head and would consider having one a handicap.
Would some match shooters respond to this statement and give us your opinion.
The quarter inch groups that my 204 Savage shoots is probably half good enough to be match accuracy at a bench rest match today. Good accuracy for sure, but not top shelf. I left out of my earlier post that it shoots that good despite the floating bolt head.
I don't think that many serious competitive shooters think much of the floating bolt head and would consider having one a handicap.
Would some match shooters respond to this statement and give us your opinion.
