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Please help with copper ammo for .308 Win Mdl 70 1:12

@LVJ76: Thanks, I wasn't sure 130 or 150 would be ethical for elk, but the weight retention of copper makes sense.

I actually spoke with a Nosler tech rep yesterday, and he ran some numbers, and said the E-Tip 150 will work as well.

Sum, the Nosler loads are a little lighter than the Barnes, I would go with the Barnes, both the 150gr and the 130gr will work on deer and Elk, but I would still stick to the 130gr TTSX for the higher velocity.

If you decide to start reloading then you'll want to go with Hammer Bullets.
 
Sum, the Nosler loads are a little lighter than the Barnes, I would go with the Barnes, both the 150gr and the 130gr will work on deer and Elk, but I would still stick to the 130gr TTSX for the higher velocity.

If you decide to start reloading then you'll want to go with Hammer Bullets.
Hammer also does custom ammo.
https://hammerbullets.com/services/
 
While the mono-metal bullets (Barnes TSX/TTSX and Nosler GMX) DO penetrate better than their weight would indicate, I'd be leery of using the 130 grain on ELK. The "shorter" bullets tend to 'wander' from their path of travel more readily than the longer bullets meaning your great shot that should go toward the lungs could deviate before hitting the desired anatomy. Stick with the 150 grain or heavier for ELK. You owe it to the animal to provide the best chances of a clean and ethical kill.

And for those about to say, "The .270 Win does okay on elk with 130 grain mono bullets" I would not argue with you, BUT bear in mind that the .270 is a smaller diameter and the 130 grain bullets are LONGER in that caliber, providing greater sectional density and a higher chance of the bullet tracking along the intended path upon striking the ELK in question. Subtle but important differences.
 
I appreciate the input.
Without starting a thread war, can I get a "real world" opinion on the best choice between the TTSX, TSX and LRX. I know mileage varies based on shooter, gun, altitude, etc.

For example, my friend's father reloads, and he says the TTSX do not shoot well out of his .308 (which is a 1:10 twist unlike mine) but the TSX shoot extremely well.

I may buy a few boxes of each, as I still need to break in the rifle.
Just looking for user feedback without the "debate," lol.
 
TTSX & LRX tend to expand most reliably (the plastic nose pushes back on impact and begins the expansion process better.) The TSX expands and works fine, but as noted earlier, they like more speed at impact to be completely 'reliable' in that regard. I wouldn't spend the extra for the LRX as you are likely to keep your shots within 400 yards with such light bullets anyway.
 
Lrx bullets expand down to 1500 fps, that makes for longer shots sometimes, as long as you have good shot placement.
 
TTSX & LRX tend to expand most reliably (the plastic nose pushes back on impact and begins the expansion process better.) The TSX expands and works fine, but as noted earlier, they like more speed at impact to be completely 'reliable' in that regard. I wouldn't spend the extra for the LRX as you are likely to keep your shots within 400 yards with such light bullets anyway.

The 130 grain and 150 grain TTSX that are loaded in the VOR TX ammo for the 308 essentially LRX bullets. I know personally they will expand at very low velocities. call Barnes customer service they will tell you this as well.
 
I appreciate the input.
Without starting a thread war, can I get a "real world" opinion on the best choice between the TTSX, TSX and LRX. I know mileage varies based on shooter, gun, altitude, etc.

For example, my friend's father reloads, and he says the TTSX do not shoot well out of his .308 (which is a 1:10 twist unlike mine) but the TSX shoot extremely well.

I may buy a few boxes of each, as I still need to break in the rifle.
Just looking for user feedback without the "debate," lol.

Don't worry you wont start a war, you'll always get tons of opinions but not easy to ruffle feathers here, and if it happens don't worry, we get over it Lol.

I would buy a box of the 150gr TTSX and the 130gr TTSX and try them out at 100 yds and see which one groups better.

Frog4aday has a valid point, but I would stay away from the 168gr it just doesn't have enough velocity.
 
I killed this nice 8 pt. With my savage axis .223 using Barnes tsx tac 70gr.bullet.30 yds one shot in the neck.He didn't take another step.The proof is in the bullet.
 

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@Poppadoer: Nice shot!

Don't worry you wont start a war, you'll always get tons of opinions but not easy to ruffle feathers here, and if it happens don't worry, we get over it Lol...

I shoot bows as well, and asked (one time, and never again) about experiences with a certain model Easton arrow. It started a 5 page flame war over shaft rigidity, aluminum alloy vs. pure carbon, etc.

Some ppl get aggro over their gear. I think (hope) as we get older that, aside from spontaneous weird pains, we hopefully realize that ppl who have experience can save one from costly; time consuming mistakes.

I learned long ago it's okay to not know everything, and ask those who do...
 
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