Pistol bullets?

[justinp61]

Thanks guys. I'm going to buy a 10mm. The question becomes, Glock 20 or 40? The 40 is about five ounces heavier, but I think the extra barrel length would help with barrel flip and follow up shots.

Thoughts or opinions?

Thanks, Justin

 

[memtb]

I have to disagree on this point. When it comes to large bears and dangerous game, and often large game in general, handgun energy is not the most important factor, for penetration (momentum) takes priority. In some loads, lighter bullets can be driven fast enough to have higher "energy" numbers in ft/lbs, but are not the best for penetration and to insure vitals are reached through heavy bone or steep angles.

edit) Just think of the massive numbers of large buffalo that fell to the lowly 45-70 and similar BP loads. Those old loads did and do not have impressive "energy" numbers, but those big, heavy bullets carried a lot of momentum.

Absolutely! The vast majority of us were brainwashed in our youth with the "energy" numbers on every box of ammo we purchased! Realistically speaking, if the energy numbers were that impressive on the animal……they'd be just as impressive on the shooter!

"Hollywierd" is alive and well in the shooing/hunting world! memtb

 

[3chester]

Absolutely! The vast majority of us were brainwashed in our youth with the "energy" numbers on every box of ammo we purchased! Realistically speaking, if the energy numbers were that impressive on the animal……they'd be just as impressive on the shooter!

"Hollywierd" is alive and well in the shooing/hunting world! memtb

Not sure about all that brain scrubbing youth stuff, but, here's a nearly free, basically scientific, 4th of July friendly, effectiveness load test, of ur bear stopR pistol rounds. Take a couple of used, surplus, empty, 5 gallon plastic oil pails with the tops removed, for this test. Need an open area away from buildings, where nothing can burn, like a plowed field. Fill the bucket with water within a couple inches of the top. Put that 5 gal water bucket on a 3ft step ladder, so it's up off the ground. Get back 20 yards or so and fire ur test round in the lower 1/3 zone of the pail. .Hydraulic pressure denoting a decent stopper round , think ,12 gauge deer slug, will empty the bucket in skywards water blast. The 4th of July part of the test, is add about an inch of gasoline on top of the water, carefully light that with a match. It will just sit there and burn. Step back minimum of 25 yards, and when the water launches ya get about a 10 foot diameter fireworks display,works best in nearly dark conditions, that remains intact for a few seconds, then disappears.

 

[chav0_12]

Thanks guys. I'm going to buy a 10mm. The question becomes, Glock 20 or 40? The 40 is about five ounces heavier, but I think the extra barrel length would help with barrel flip and follow up shots.

Thoughts or opinions?

Thanks, Justin

I personally hate Glocks. You either hate them or love them, and I'm in the hate crowd, I never could get used to the grip angle. I personally went with an XDm OSP, I wouldn't recommend it, it's too slippery. I'll probably sell or trade it and get a Sig P320 X-Ten.

I do think extra barrel length is helpful for the little bit of extra velocity, since that's what leads to more penetration. I'd get the bigger one and a chest holster for it, but there are plenty of other polymer 10mms out there now so a Glock isn't the only answer.

 

[cohunt]

I personally hate Glocks. You either hate them or love them, and I'm in the hate crowd, I never could get used to the grip angle. I personally went with an XDm OSP, I wouldn't recommend it, it's too slippery. I'll probably sell or trade it and get a Six P320 X-Ten.

I do think extra barrel length is helpful for the little bit of extra velocity, since that's what leads to more penetration. I'd get the bigger one and a chest holster for it, but there are plenty of other polymer 10mms out there now so a Glock isn't the only answer.

Get the precut grip tape for it--- it will never slip again

 

[chav0_12]

Get the precut grip tape for it--- it will never slip again

I've been thinking about having it stippled or doing it myself, but I think I like the Sig a little bit more anyway, so I might end up keeping the XDm and get the Sig too. I have a hard time seeing the point in keeping both of them for the same purpose though. It would make my decision on which to carry more difficult, so I'd almost rather just have one.

 

[Sealesniper]

Guys I apologize, I should've been more specific. I'm looking for pistol bullets. My wife and I are going to Idaho to visit with family and will be doing a lot of hiking. I have a Beretta 96 in .40 and a Colt Anaconda in .44 mag. I'm entertaining buying a Glock G20 in 10 mm. I'd prefer to have the semi for quicker follow up shots and the weight.

Carry your wheel gun, they don't jam and if 6 shots does not get you out of trouble, then you were meant to be in trouble. Course if you are worried about bear, a 870 is the best option.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

I carry a 5" S&W 629 when hunting bears, but it's only for backup. With a stout load, the 44mag is a formidable cartridge. If you're using it for self-defense than you can actually rely on muzzle velocity/energy without considering depreciation for distance.

 

[memtb]

Not sure about all that brain scrubbing youth stuff, but, here's a nearly free, basically scientific, 4th of July friendly, effectiveness load test, of ur bear stopR pistol rounds. Take a couple of used, surplus, empty, 5 gallon plastic oil pails with the tops removed, for this test. Need an open area away from buildings, where nothing can burn, like a plowed field. Fill the bucket with water within a couple inches of the top. Put that 5 gal water bucket on a 3ft step ladder, so it's up off the ground. Get back 20 yards or so and fire ur test round in the lower 1/3 zone of the pail. .Hydraulic pressure denoting a decent stopper round , think ,12 gauge deer slug, will empty the bucket in skywards water blast. The 4th of July part of the test, is add about an inch of gasoline on top of the water, carefully light that with a match. It will just sit there and burn. Step back minimum of 25 yards, and when the water launches ya get about a 10 foot diameter fireworks display,works best in nearly dark conditions, that remains intact for a few seconds, then disappears.

I just think that the ft/pounds of energy is over used or emphasized…..especially with handguns. I've shot several game animal, at fairly close range ……the animal showing no immediate indication of a hit. One in particular, an elk standing broadside @ around 40 yards (max), hit behind the shoulder, absorbed approximately 5100 ft/lbs. energy …..the elk showed absolutely no sign of being hit. I was stunned, took a few seconds to regain composure and reload…..about the same time the elk collapsed!

It seems that if ft/lbs energy were a significant measure of killing efficiency…..that elk should have at the very least honored me with a bit of a stagger at the time of impact! memtb

 

[Varmint Hunter]

I just think that the ft/pounds of energy is over used or emphasized…..especially with handguns. I've shot several game animal, at fairly close range ……the animal showing no immediate indication of a hit. One in particular, an elk standing broadside @ around 40 yards (max), hit behind the shoulder, absorbed approximately 5100 ft/lbs. energy …..the elk showed absolutely no sign of being hit. I was stunned, took a few seconds to regain composure and reload…..about the same time the elk collapsed!

It seems that if ft/lbs energy were a significant measure of killing efficiency…..that elk should have at the very least honored me with a bit of a stagger at the time of impact! memtb

Impact velocity seems to contribute significantly to an animal's visible reaction to the shot. I hit whitetails in the chest with a 50cal ML that didn't immediately react, and some got quite far despite a massive hole in their lungs. Most high velocity rounds elicited an immediate visible reaction to the impact. "Most" but certainly not all.

 

[Knight]

In bear country if I'm not carrying my 10mm Glock 40 mos with 230 hard cast double tap, or old Betsey S&W 29 6.5 barrel with my Barnes pills.

 

[memtb]

Impact velocity seems to contribute significantly to an animal's visible reaction to the shot. I hit whitetails in the chest with a 50cal ML that didn't immediately react, and some got quite far despite a massive hole in their lungs. Most high velocity rounds elicited an immediate visible reaction to the impact. "Most" but certainly not all.

I can't argue that….as it does appear that velocity does (usually) does exhibit an immediate response. That said, the aforementioned elk was hit at near 2900 fps (mv was just at or slightly above 2900). Not exactly high velocity….but not Turtle speed either!

No major bones were hit, only a rib or two, a little muscle and a double lung, and as mentione, I was a bit stunned…..I expected more reaction. Well, at least some reaction! memtb

 

[Buzzsaw]

Which Ever Caliber You guys' Pick..................

FACTORY ammo ONLY. Don't trust your or your families lives to a faulty Handload. ESPECIALLY in a revolver, where "bullet creep" is a possibility.

my .02

 

[SentryFE]

How much gun can your wife handle. You don't have to kill the bear only change its mind. A 9mm with 17 rounds which she can hit with is better than ANY other gun she can't hit with.