CBS and Shaggey,thanks to you both for sharing your thoughts.I am really searching for a clear optic that won't break the bank.Unfortunately those qualities don't always go hand in hand.I have another rifle,(my first precision rifle built from scratch,blueprinted etc.)that has a 30 year old Redfield 6400, dot reticle, that is remarkably clear.I don't remember paying much for it but works very well on everything up to 600 yards,so I see no real good reason to change it. On my other rifle I have the 24X weaver,it works ok in bright sun but the other day at a 100 yard match in overcast conditions I just couldn't adjust well enough to bring in the X's.
(I thought it was my eyes until i had a buddy of mine who has very good sight shoot the rifle and he had the same problem) The only IOR that i've been able to look through was an older 4X,I thought at that time it was a nice piece of glass but the guy whose rifle it was couldn't wait to change it. Thanks again for the help. Jim