Nosler Ballistics Tip Performace?

[timberelk]

I finished off an elk this year with a 284 168gr lrab....7rum..muzzle velocity 2950....elk at 570 yards and going...
They say to use the bullet for long range....obviously this wasn't long enough because the damage was beyond my belief....
Shot behind shoulder when animal walked around a sage on side of hill...found bullet remains just in front of offside shoulder...
.4" of it....
The impact showed from the bloodshot meat stretched from behind ribs up into the neck....that bullet left a semi-circle of devastation...probably lost 20-30# of the elk do to the extreme bloodshot muscles.....I was going to post them on here but they were too graphic for me to do that....then someone posted the armadillo pictures.....
I think the better all round bullets from nosler are the accubonds...
None of the animals I have used them on have ever had horrific meat losses.....BT....I would think better at longer ranges and still better than the lrab because of more solid lead.....

7mm is a powerful round but at 570 it should be somewhat tame but guess not.

You think the BT is better than the LRAB? I was told it's the best of both worlds because it will expand down to 1300 FPS but because it is an Accubond, you can't push it fast enough to over expand.

How actuate are the Accubond compared to the BTs? And how do they expand around that 1800 FPS and 1000 ft lbs mark?

 

[timberelk]

I reccomend getting a different load with the 140, is it a 7mm-08? 2550 is way slow, evei
N with a 20" barrel...I have a remington model 7 7mm-08 with an 18 inch barrel and with 140's I'm getting over 2700, using varget. If a higher end load isn't shooting well, try a different powder. 2750 vs 2550 will make it to where your not pushing it so close at the 500 yard mark

Yes it is a 7mm08. I haven't worked up to max yet but I've tried from 38 grains to 40.2 with varget and the gun seemed to like the 39.0 grains. I did some math and came up with 2550 as a rough estimate based on the book and loss of FPS per inch of barrel based on a 308(23 FPS per inch). I have yet to chronograph

 

[RockyMtnMT]

131g Hammer Hunter in my daughters 7-08 short barreled Vanguard at over 3000fps works very well.

Steve

 

[timberelk]

131g Hammer Hunter in my daughters 7-08 short barreled Vanguard at over 3000fps works very well.

Steve

What length of barrel and what powder type/amount? Thanks

 

[Snyper708]

And I've seen many examples of the failures in thick cover; one such failure cost a friend a 140" buck.

I'd call that a "miss" rather than "bullet failure".
It's supposed to only hit the animal.

 

[26Reload]

From my talk with nosler rep....basically the lrab is an extreme long range bullet......I gave him my numbers and he said that 570 was way to close..and that was 2950mv....very slow for a 7rum...most guys are pushing those calibers way faster....I would hate to see what it would have done in a rifle at 3300fps.....
The front end of the lrab is built to collapse..it is built with softer finished(more pure) lead....and the slightly thinner jacket also promotes the front end to pretty much explode....I have loaded many accubonds into many calibers and they definitely give a solid performance...they don't disintegrate....they may not be as sleek as the "super boattail" but they shoot very good...several of those rifles shot one hole groups at 75 yards..2506, 260, 270 & 300wm....
The 2506 accounted for a Blacktail..two shots behind shoulder..I thought first one had missed..second hit an inch away from first..450 yards.....the deer just forget to drop....no meat damage...nice entry....quarter sized exit....second shot buck fell over and slide down part of the mountain....wish it had slide further....
Maybe the lrabs would perform better on critters at lower velocity...but what is low enough to not destroy table fare....and I like eating deer and elk.....way more than any piece of beef....
I know a few guys that were loading 2506 BTs and neck shooting bucks...basically blowing heads off....taxidermist loved and hated
those guys....

 

[RockyMtnMT]

What length of barrel and what powder type/amount? Thanks

It is a 20" barrel. Load is 131g Hammer Hunter, wlrm primer, 48g Varget, at 3046fps. Start load was 43g at 2784fps. Worked up 1g at a time and settled at 48g. This is a top end load so work up.

Steve

 

[Canhunter35]

Yes it is a 7mm08. I haven't worked up to max yet but I've tried from 38 grains to 40.2 with varget and the gun seemed to like the 39.0 grains. I did some math and came up with 2550 as a rough estimate based on the book and loss of FPS per inch of barrel based on a 308(23 FPS per inch). I have yet to chronograph

Keep going on your powder you will find another node at a higher velocity

 

[Broken arrow]

I've killed perhaps 50+ deer using ballistic tips on whitetail with weights from 145-200#. Ballistic tips are fairly predictable. On a broadside chest shot the bullet will penetrate perhaps 8-12" before the lead core and jacket separate. The ballistic tip itself along with the jacket are found many times just under the hide of the off side. The lead core usually fragments and leaves several wound channels.

 

[LastShot300]

My hunting experince with the Nosler's BTips (.243 and .300) range from bad to worst. There are much, much better options for hunting bullets around.

 

[timberelk]

My hunting experince with the Nosler's BTips (.243 and .300) range from bad to worst. There are much, much better options for hunting bullets around.

What would you personally recommend?

 

[Kimber7man]

My experience with the 120 grain Ballistic tips out of the 7mm08 has been great. No problems at all.
Try 49-50 grains of Ramshot Big Game with a large rifle magnum primer...

 

[Riflehunter1776]

My kids's 7-08 model 7 likes 8208 and the 120 gr. tipped barnes bullets. I load it down a little for her so that she doesn't become recoil shy in that tiny, light rifle, but that bullet at 2800 still hits like a hammer. Most of her deer drop DRT in their tracks.

 

[LastShot300]

What would you personally recommend?

Barnes TTSX all day long, but Accubonds are GTG too. Let's say it's hard to fail with a well placed shot with most bullets, the trick comes when hitting bones and that's what separate the really good ones from the mainstream offerings.