Brent
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24mm is pretty small for good light transmission at 10x, ya think? This sounds nice, but personally, I'd still rather have a 45-50mm.
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Ian M
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I looked through both new hunting scopes, particularly the 2.5-10 a bunch. Have some bear hunts coming up that really need to be done with the 2.5-10! The difference is there is almost no front bell on the 2.5-10 and straight tube on the 1.5-6. The tubes are 30mm so the objective is only 35 or so, damned if I can find my catalog must have loaned it out already. They are sweet, amazingly bright guess you do not need a big honking front-end to let in lots of light
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Ian, the guy I spoke to at NF said the 2.5x10 had a 30mm tube and 24mm bell? It doesn't make sense to me. But your saying the bell is 35mm?
How could the bell be 11mm smaller than the tube?
How could the bell be 11mm smaller than the tube?
Ian M
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John,
No offence, but that is just not likely, sounds like he was about as good at math as I am. I did look through and handle the 2.5-10 and it is a very nice scope, but the objective is not smaller than the main tube. Wonder if he meant 42mm. If I can find my **** catalog I could clear this up but it has disappeared.
Maybe he has a secret scope being planned that sucks light into it like a sponge
No offence, but that is just not likely, sounds like he was about as good at math as I am. I did look through and handle the 2.5-10 and it is a very nice scope, but the objective is not smaller than the main tube. Wonder if he meant 42mm. If I can find my **** catalog I could clear this up but it has disappeared.
Maybe he has a secret scope being planned that sucks light into it like a sponge
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I just don't get it????
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Ian, It would be the ugliest scope in the world!
I asked him 15 times and he kept saying "it's low profile"
Sounds more like "no profile"
I asked him 15 times and he kept saying "it's low profile"
Sounds more like "no profile"
Greetings,
From the Nightforce catalog:
1-4x24 24mm Objective, 30mm Tube, 33mm Ocular lense, 3.54" Eye Relief, 100 MOA Elevation and Windage, .250 MOA Clicks, 8.7" OAL, 16.5 oz.
2.5-10x24 24mm Objective, 30mm Tube, 33mm Ocular lense, 3.74" Eye Relief, 100 MOA Elevation and Windage, .250 MOA Clicks, 9.9 OAL, 17oz.
ktmhk53
Edited to add: There is no objective bell, i.e. just a straight tube to the end of the scope. The numbers make sense as the tube is 30mm and the lenses is 24mm, which would leave 3mm at the top and 3mm at the bottom to allow for the tube thickness and any other mounting component to interface between the lense and the tube.
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From the Nightforce catalog:
1-4x24 24mm Objective, 30mm Tube, 33mm Ocular lense, 3.54" Eye Relief, 100 MOA Elevation and Windage, .250 MOA Clicks, 8.7" OAL, 16.5 oz.
2.5-10x24 24mm Objective, 30mm Tube, 33mm Ocular lense, 3.74" Eye Relief, 100 MOA Elevation and Windage, .250 MOA Clicks, 9.9 OAL, 17oz.
ktmhk53
Edited to add: There is no objective bell, i.e. just a straight tube to the end of the scope. The numbers make sense as the tube is 30mm and the lenses is 24mm, which would leave 3mm at the top and 3mm at the bottom to allow for the tube thickness and any other mounting component to interface between the lense and the tube.
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Ian M
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53,
Thanks for the info, what do you make of that?? I think it must be a typo
Just does not make sense compared to how other scope makers describe their specs.
I looked through both scopes several times and they are wonderful optics. Overall much smaller than any other Nightforce, but the usual performance.
Thanks for the info, what do you make of that?? I think it must be a typo
Just does not make sense compared to how other scope makers describe their specs.
I looked through both scopes several times and they are wonderful optics. Overall much smaller than any other Nightforce, but the usual performance.
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How could the the bell be 11mm smaller?
Brent
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Has to be a typo. So, I wonder if it's 40 or what.
Brent
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The objective "glass" is 24mm.
The NF NXS 5.5-22x56 has a 65mm objective on the outside, but the glass is 56mm... there lies the confussion.
The 2.5-10x24 has a 30mm straight tube for an objective, the glass is 24mm inside. It is not any larger than that, and both it and the 1-4x are the same.
Exit pupil:
1-4x24 @ 1x = 16mm, and 4x = 6mm
This could be up to 24mm exit puple but there's problems with FOV and eye relief if they allow it to be that much larger than necessary, so they reduce it. Over about a 12-16mm exit pupil, you run into these problems.
2.5-10x24 @ 2.5 = 10.1mm, and 10x = 2.5mm
The turrets are less than half the height of the current NXS.
They have 100 MOA of elevation, but could have easily had a bunch more but wasn't necessary for the application.
Parallax is set at 200 yards, but like my 3.5-10 VariX3, it will be parallax free for quite a long ways farther, 600-700 yards likely.
The left side knob is a 9 position, click type, lighted reticle adjustment on these models, like the BR scopes have, only in the side parallax knobs location.
The 2.5-10x24 will run about $1100, not sure on the 1-4x24.
Keven at NF was the contact for this.
The NF NXS 5.5-22x56 has a 65mm objective on the outside, but the glass is 56mm... there lies the confussion.
The 2.5-10x24 has a 30mm straight tube for an objective, the glass is 24mm inside. It is not any larger than that, and both it and the 1-4x are the same.
Exit pupil:
1-4x24 @ 1x = 16mm, and 4x = 6mm
This could be up to 24mm exit puple but there's problems with FOV and eye relief if they allow it to be that much larger than necessary, so they reduce it. Over about a 12-16mm exit pupil, you run into these problems.
2.5-10x24 @ 2.5 = 10.1mm, and 10x = 2.5mm
The turrets are less than half the height of the current NXS.
They have 100 MOA of elevation, but could have easily had a bunch more but wasn't necessary for the application.
Parallax is set at 200 yards, but like my 3.5-10 VariX3, it will be parallax free for quite a long ways farther, 600-700 yards likely.
The left side knob is a 9 position, click type, lighted reticle adjustment on these models, like the BR scopes have, only in the side parallax knobs location.
The 2.5-10x24 will run about $1100, not sure on the 1-4x24.
Keven at NF was the contact for this.
Ian M
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Good job Brent, when all else fails go to the source. I looked thru them both and would swear that the 2.5-10 has a bit of a bell
I still like their big 5.5-22x56, it is their "flagship" if you ask me.
Brent
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Yeah, I like the 5.5-22 NXS best myself. This new low profile should work well on the ultra light 300 WSM I have planned tho. The lower profile turrets will be a nice addition I think, fitting anyway.
I'd like to make it a switch barrel for a 6/243 WSSM or 6.5/243 WSSM or the like, just for winter time use. I'm thinking of going all out and trying the carbon wrapped barrels for both, my brothers Volquartsen 17 HMR is SUPER light, and just a friggin tack driver beyond belief! He had to mill out the slide considerably on the 10/22 Mag to lighten it enough so it would cycle reliably tho.
I'd like to make it a switch barrel for a 6/243 WSSM or 6.5/243 WSSM or the like, just for winter time use. I'm thinking of going all out and trying the carbon wrapped barrels for both, my brothers Volquartsen 17 HMR is SUPER light, and just a friggin tack driver beyond belief! He had to mill out the slide considerably on the 10/22 Mag to lighten it enough so it would cycle reliably tho.
Iam, and all:
The two new reticles are the close range mil-dot, and the MLR, which is the mill reticle with hash marks.
There are two models in the lower power ranges - a 1-4x24mm and a 2.5-10x24mm. The exit pupil for the 1-4x24 @ 1x is 6mm and is 16mm @ 4x. Since the tube is 30mm, I'm assuming the actual diameter of the exposed lense surface is 24mm.
These are the compact hunting models and feature low profile knurled adjustments and side "adjustable Illumination Turret. I don't believe this side turet allows the user to adjust parralax on this series like they do on the standard NXS series. It does not specify on the new catalog I got at the SHOT show, but the fact that it doesn't mention it and the turret looks void of markings for that, I am confident this is correct.
The two new scopes come in four reticle choices: Mildot Close Range; FC-2 (Tactical Close Range); NP-R2 and NP-1. Both scopes feature 100 MOA of windage and elevation adjustment.
For those of you whop haven't seen their new ballitics program for the PC and Palm, it is extremely cool...
Later guys!
The two new reticles are the close range mil-dot, and the MLR, which is the mill reticle with hash marks.
There are two models in the lower power ranges - a 1-4x24mm and a 2.5-10x24mm. The exit pupil for the 1-4x24 @ 1x is 6mm and is 16mm @ 4x. Since the tube is 30mm, I'm assuming the actual diameter of the exposed lense surface is 24mm.
These are the compact hunting models and feature low profile knurled adjustments and side "adjustable Illumination Turret. I don't believe this side turet allows the user to adjust parralax on this series like they do on the standard NXS series. It does not specify on the new catalog I got at the SHOT show, but the fact that it doesn't mention it and the turret looks void of markings for that, I am confident this is correct.
The two new scopes come in four reticle choices: Mildot Close Range; FC-2 (Tactical Close Range); NP-R2 and NP-1. Both scopes feature 100 MOA of windage and elevation adjustment.
For those of you whop haven't seen their new ballitics program for the PC and Palm, it is extremely cool...
Later guys!
