New (kinda) technique to develop a load

[ar10ar15man]

i have been around longer the ocw. i also have common sense and know how to develop loads. to be clear IT IS A WASTE OF POWDER, BULLETS AND TIME. i looked at it when it first came out. to me, it is clear he does not know how to properly shoot a ladder, cannot listen to people that can, so built his own method. good for people with more money and time than brains.
start with some basic info on your cartridge/bullet weigh and powder. ONE 10 step ladder at 200/300 yards with no head or tail wind. and you will have more data for less money and time than an ocw ***.
i have one national championship with a rifle i built, with loads i developed. if i had tried bsocw i would have run out of bullets and time. there was a limited amount of each before the nationals.

Perhaps if you looked at OCW as a viable test, took the time to read and understand the basic principles of round robin shooting, you would not come off as such an ?!..,,@#$

 

[ar10ar15man]

well in the ladder world you need a target with actual shots from one string, not " GROUP CENTERS". you are looking for a node to work from...not a bunch of averages.

Lapua brass fed215m Berger 300 otm and retumbo. I have another graph that shows the group centers for each charge weight plotted on a quadratic chart and it tells the story of the ocw method (at 1k yards). I think the issue with doing this method is having a range available for the perfect day to run the test no wild or mirage.

 

[wildcat455]

ar10ar15man,
You oughtta be old enough to know by now there's More than one way to skin a cat.

Just because it's different from what you do, or have done, don't make it wrong. It just makes it different. For what it's worth, it also doesn't make the old way the right and only way.

What skin you got in the game that it matters so much to you how someone else does something?

If we didn't have people doing things different, coming up with their own ways, where would we be today?

Creativity and innovation go hand in hand. Progress follows.

Some people like to be entrenched in the same rut, some like a little more latitude.
Doesn't make either person bad or good, just makes them different.

You got your opinion, and we've all heard it. Now how about moving along?

Harping on it ain't gonna change a thing. Neither is insulting someone's intelligence.

 

[ar10ar15man]

well i have said it before and will say it again
ocw wastes bullets,, powder , primers and time.
notice i did not say you might find a load, i said it wastes time and money.
no benchrest shooter does load development by "round robin shooting targets"
ocw is simply GROUP shooting, done round robin.
a single ladder lets you find a starting point for group shooting at 1/4 the cost.

 

[ar10ar15man]

it appears we have a failure to communicate.
lets try simple math.
she fired 6 loads three times, 18 rounds, that is aprox $21 in components.
and she does not have a CLEAR answer as to where to start. we have a maybe.
if she had simply fired a 10 shot ladder it would have cost $11.70 and she would have a node or two
10 shot spread vs 6
$11.70 vs $21.06
time to load 10 vs 18
time to shoot 10 vs 18
waste of time and money
( numbers based on $80/100 for bullets, $200 for 8 lb of powder, primers at .04/ea)

 

[lisagrantb]

Mine works and yours doesn't, yours sucks and mine is the greatest and the only way. Just about every time I post something these days it turns into a mines bigger than yours discussion. I guess that's why I don't post much these days. Speaking of saving money and time, if that was the objective I would just stay at home, mission accomplished. First, 18 rounds to identify my pressure limits, yes shooting round robin from low to high lets You accomplish that. I had another load at 96 grains that I didn't use because of starting pressure signs at 95. I also identified a node that looks good, I identified what charge gave me the best sd's and the least vertical, verified velocity, preformed an ocw test and I even have the data to put in the obt spreadsheet. Not to mention proving or disproving a theory based on hard data AND shooting and learning because every shot I take I try to learn something. Hell I learn more from my misses and mistakes than from anything else. I don't need the attaboy from anyone on this and I didn't say it was any better than yours. I was trying to share knowledge and experience of this endeavor with others so we can all learn. I mean these boards were created to share knowledge isn't it. If this is a total flop then maybe it will save you some money by saying someone tried this and it didn't work.

 

[Canhunter35]

If the 93gr load works out or is even within .5gr then I think you have succeeded in at least furthering ur load development

 

[lisagrantb]

And ocw is not group shooting.

 

[ar10ar15man]

gee you shoot six 3 shot GROUPS in a round robin fashion.
it is poor group shooting.
just because one does something DIFFERENT, does not make it BETTER.
ocw is a clear case in point., different and COST more, and may not provide an answer.
it is ok to be different, unless it is just to be different.
if you want to do stuff different, you need to put on your big girl pants and be ready for criticism.

And ocw is not group shooting.

 

[lisagrantb]

Speaking of wasting time, I'm done with this, I have to get ready to shoot a few pigs tonight. Have a good day

 

[Canhunter35]

I'm glad you started a thread about actual shooting and shared, but unfortunately this simply delved into arguing as too many threads do

 

[AndyT]

I, for one, would be very interested to see if something between 93 and 94 turns out to be a good load.

 

[wildcat455]

Well lisagrantb, I'm interested in your methods and how this all turns out for you. I get your frustration. I sure hope you continue to post here on this subject.

Ya know, if you LOVE shooting, load developing, etc., as much as I do, there is no NO SUCH THING as wasting money on "extra" shots!!

Good luck pig hunting, and I apologize for my involvement in the thread derail.

AndyT, I think it's between 92 and 93. Lol!

 

[ar10ar15man]

and i quote
"I have another graph that shows the group centers for each charge weight plotted on a quadratic chart"

And ocw is not group shooting.