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New Hornady 6.5 PRC

I'm sure I read where short action rifles are now becoming more so medium length actions when actually measured. I believe the example was Ruger rifles. Hornady nailed it....in the sense that it's Shot Show and they are supposed to grab media and retailer's attention. Not everyone agrees, but the 6.5 market has really taken off for factory ammo and off the shelf rifles. Those who reload, develop wildcats or tinker are usually at the bottom of the market to satisfy. As said above, Hornady knows what they are doing, Remington being owned by ticket holders, not so much. Remington doesn't even catalog saum rifles anymore, when they could have locked down the 6.5 saum no consideration was made. More 6.5 ' s needed in this market? I don't know, but I welcome the companies risking it in the shooting sports.
 
Edd said:
The bullet extended into the case does use up some of the case capacity. But moving the shoulder back, on a 6.5 caliber and a SAUM diameter case, to prevent the bullet from extending so far into the case decreases the capacity about 3.5 times as much.

The reason to shorten a case is to make the bullet properly fit the chamber. You will never gain powder capacity by shortening the case to prevent the bullet from extending into it.

A 2.960" cartridge OAL will limit your bullet choices to those with a nose length of about .800" or shorter. All of the Berger 6.5 hunting bullets have a nose shorter than .800".
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That is true if ALL you do is neck it down. May SS case shortened has almost identical capacity to the saum, plus the bullet is not taking the capacity that it does has. By removing case taper and sharpening the shoulder to 40 degrees, you gain it back and have a more efficient case to boot.....Rich
 
A fat .260 that's still burdened by action length, with the added burden of Hornady brass, is all I'm seeing here.
2200 rounds of barrel life???? Isn't that what most PRS guys are getting with the milder 6.5 Creed? Hmmmm!!!

.260 AI with fire formed Lapua brass, looks to be the logical answer to all of this...
 
gohring3006 said:
A fat .260 that's still burdened by action length, with the added burden of Hornady brass, is all I'm seeing here.
2200 rounds of barrel life???? Isn't that what most PRS guys are getting with the milder 6.5 Creed? Hmmmm!!!

.260 AI with fire formed Lapua brass, looks to be the logical answer to all of this...
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I still run into mag length issues with my 260ai when seating the 143 eldx long. I run out of room in the case using 4831SC and will be changing powders soon.
 
stxhunter260ai said:
I still run into mag length issues with my 260ai when seating the 143 eldx long. I run out of room in the case using 4831SC and will be changing powders soon.
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Right, they basically built a .260 AI with all the same burdens, but also threw in some soft brass...
 
I just went to the shop and measured the capacity of a new 7 SAUM case vs a fire formed 7SS case. The SAUM would gain a few tenths when fire formed. Here are the results. When you put the bullet back into the case where the SAUM would be, the SS probably has a 1 to 2 grains more USEABLE capacity AND it fits in a short action!......Rich
7 SAUM vs 7SS capacity.jpg
 
It would seem this forum offers a good group of Beta Testers to present unbiased opinions and data to put together a proposal to someone looking to get into this market. You have the 6.5, 7, 300 all performing well.

I think the largest drawback which could be its largest advantage it that that the SS line is based on the SAUM case. The large resistance to adopting these type of cartridges like the WSM and SAUM is the royalties to chamber a rifle or make the ammunition. Likely why Hornady was never going to go with the SAUM based varieties. This means a proposal to Remington might be a possibility to revive their SAUM line.

Otherwise a presentation to a younger or more open company of the concept with perhaps an alternative parent case would likely catch an ear with the great numbers and accuracy seen on this forum with these cartridges. Prime went outside the country to RUAG. Perhaps if a major ammunition company in the states isn't bold enough to set the new standard, maybe a small boutique company like Copper Creek or a company from over seas? I would love to see this take off as it makes all the sense in the world compared to the traditional mis-match of cartridges and action lengths.
 
Thank you for the kind comments! I think it makes sense to a lot of people but trying to break through the "establishment", so to speak, is difficult. If someone like BTW or other long range rifle producer picked it up, it might be the best chance.......Rich
 
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