My thoughts on Long-range shooting/hunting

This got my attention. Especially when you take into consideration people who live and hunt in wide Open spaces 500 yard shots are pretty much the norm and they've been doing it since a young age they are pretty much automatic this also is irrelevant for people who shoot routinely and competitive matches such as NRLl Hunter and PRS 4 to 500 yards are your close shots and they are automatic guaranteed hits. To say hunting at these ranges is unethical is ridiculous. Im not saying everyone is capable of doing it but would hope doing so are on point. Just my 2¢
When you have accurate equipment, and as the man said, the best glass one can afford, 5-600 yards is so doable. Wind is an entirely different matter, but decent conditions and you do your job it's not that hard if one has invested the time to be proficient. 1000 yards is doable as well, but it is an entirely different matter than 5-600. A man can be pelting the bullseye, banging the flapper, making perfect shots at 500, back off to 1000 and not even hit steel if there's wind. Our problem where we shoot is wind is not consistent at all, we shoot over a series of draws and the wind can literally be blowing three different directions at 1000. If you can't see hits on the dirt bank it can be impossible to figure out. Wind can be 10-15 at the muzzle left to right, but at 1000 you can be a foot or two left of target. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it, but it's a reality in places. One would think 500 would only be twice as easy, but I'm not sure that math works in variable wind at 1000.
 
When you have accurate equipment, and as the man said, the best glass one can afford, 5-600 yards is so doable. Wind is an entirely different matter, but decent conditions and you do your job it's not that hard if one has invested the time to be proficient. 1000 yards is doable as well, but it is an entirely different matter than 5-600. A man can be pelting the bullseye, banging the flapper, making perfect shots at 500, back off to 1000 and not even hit steel if there's wind. Our problem where we shoot is wind is not consistent at all, we shoot over a series of draws and the wind can literally be blowing three different directions at 1000. If you can't see hits on the dirt bank it can be impossible to figure out. Wind can be 10-15 at the muzzle left to right, but at 1000 you can be a foot or two left of target. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it, but it's a reality in places. One would think 500 would only be twice as easy, but I'm not sure that math works in variable wind at 1000.
Have you taken any courses or read a few articles/books on "wind reading", and then put those concepts into a lot of practice?

Focusing your scope through various ranges is "one" way to help seeing mirage at different angles at varying ranges.
 
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When you have accurate equipment, and as the man said, the best glass one can afford, 5-600 yards is so doable. Wind is an entirely different matter, but decent conditions and you do your job it's not that hard if one has invested the time to be proficient. 1000 yards is doable as well, but it is an entirely different matter than 5-600. A man can be pelting the bullseye, banging the flapper, making perfect shots at 500, back off to 1000 and not even hit steel if there's wind. Our problem where we shoot is wind is not consistent at all, we shoot over a series of draws and the wind can literally be blowing three different directions at 1000. If you can't see hits on the dirt bank it can be impossible to figure out. Wind can be 10-15 at the muzzle left to right, but at 1000 you can be a foot or two left of target. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it, but it's a reality in places. One would think 500 would only be twice as easy, but I'm not sure that math works in variable wind at 1000.
This has been my experience as well. Dialing the parallex down to see the effecting wind might help but where I'm at, you better have someone right behind you looking for vapor trails if you miss because there no seeing any splashes. Im always impressed by those guys that shoot 1000 yard competition and getting close or bull with the sighters
 
Have you taken any courses or read a few articles/books on "wind reading", and then put those concepts into a lot of practice?

Focusing your scope through various ranges is "one" way to help seeing mirage at different angles at varying ranges.
I have not. We used to have a world champion shotgunner close by, but not sure what happened there, maybe divorce, and I don't know if he shot rifle or not, but they do have 1000 yards on their rifle range. Lots of components downrange is our history. I like the idea of focusing the scope at different ranges, I had never heard of that before. We always look at mirage to try and get an idea, but I'm sure we're being busted from 6-1000 more than at target. I said I'm sure, I'm guessing would be more accurate.
 
I've been long-range hunting (over 40 years) and have been a 1000-yard completive shooter for a number of years and winning a IBS/NBRSA national championship for 1000 yard score and two state championships for smallest group.

First off to be successful you must have excellent equipment to do the job, that's fairly easy to do if you have the money to buy what is required. In my opinion the weakest link in the chain is the scope, buy the best you can afford, the rifle can sometimes be purchased of the shelf, manufactured by several commercial rifle makers. That being said in my opinion if you're going to spend your hard-earned dollars, go to a qualified gun builder and have a custom barrel chambered in your favorite caliber. That will take care of part of the equation.

Now for the hard part is acquiring the skill set. I really don't know how to tell you how to go about it, other than I practice when the conditions are bad at the longest range I can 300 to 500 yards or so would be good. Shorter ranges can work but not be as dramatic of changes as the longer ranges. I should mention quality ammunition is of major importance. (Good scope + good rifle + bad ammo = bad groups.) When shooting in windy conditions I pay close attention to the wind in front of the rifle, when the bullet exits the barrel gravity and wind acts on it immediately and stars to pull it down and in the direction of the wind and I think it effects it the most at that moment a few thousands of deflections at the muzzle can be huge at distance. I also look at the conditions along the bullets path that can counteract or add to what's happening at the muzzle and I'll adjust accordingly. I don't pay too much attention to what's happening at the target except for light conditions, because the bullet is already there.

In all honesty while having many one shot kills at distance, I've also had my share of near misses on the first shot, but if having an opportunity for a second shot I more often than not make a clean kill. In the many years of hunting long-range, I never crippled one and have it get away. On rare occasions I did have to shoot an animal again not wanting to let it bleed-out and suffer.

I'll probably have a lot of blow-back on this and maybe called BS but this is what works for me.
While ive never met the O P, i know who he is, as we have had some of the same aquaintences.
Dont doubt what he has said, but i feel he has left some very important things unsaid.
First off 1000 yd target shooting isnt the same as hunting long range.
Yes, both require good equipment and good shooting.
But frankly good target shooters arent necessarily always the best at killing animals at the long distances.
Fact is that most of the successful long range hunters ive known have never fired at shot in competition.
Fact also is that a large percentage of the deer killed at long range in our camp over more than 50 years were shot by kids too young to drive a car.
But they werent too young to ( listen ), to what they were being told by ( the spotter ).
The OP wouldnt have known he hit those tree branches unless he had been told he did, by a ( spotter ).
If average Joe hunter has a rifle and load plus the ability to consistently shoot groups of 1 inch or less from a bench, then he can also kill animals at very long distances.
Provided he uses the same shooting method, and listens to his spotter.
It aint hard folks, and if it were most people couldnt do it.
And thats another fact. lol
 
While ive never met the O P, i know who he is, as we have had some of the same aquaintences.
Dont doubt what he has said, but i feel he has left some very important things unsaid.
First off 1000 yd target shooting isnt the same as hunting long range.
Yes, both require good equipment and good shooting.
But frankly good target shooters arent necessarily always the best at killing animals at the long distances.
Fact is that most of the successful long range hunters ive known have never fired at shot in competition.
Fact also is that a large percentage of the deer killed at long range in our camp over more than 50 years were shot by kids too young to drive a car.
But they werent too young to ( listen ), to what they were being told by ( the spotter ).
The OP wouldnt have known he hit those tree branches unless he had been told he did, by a ( spotter ).
If average Joe hunter has a rifle and load plus the ability to consistently shoot groups of 1 inch or less from a bench, then he can also kill animals at very long distances.
Provided he uses the same shooting method, and listens to his spotter.
It aint hard folks, and if it were most people couldnt do it.
And thats another fact. lol
It ain't hard until the wind starts blowing lol
 
My limit on deers & such is 400 yards but I have hit many 1/2 gallon size rodents on first shot at 600 plus. I fear wounding animals. Does extending the range over 400 for rodents imply speciesism?

I did real good at 600 yard NRA Hi Power with lots of 10's & X's. Every aspect is important - scope adjustment accuracy/consistency, ammo load accuracy/consistency, barrel quality/condition.

I am real olde & don't hike long distances over rough terrain. My usual method is to drive to a site, short hike to position, determine conditions/mirage/wind/temp via spotter(optic, 85 mm objective, extended focus range)/thermometer, wait for an opportunity, determine conditions again, range finder target, then shoot. I have suffered abject disappointment with adjustment accuracy of various high price scope adjustments and only trust what I have tested. I always carry a calculator & thermometer & keep my ammo & chamber cool. I run stats for a normal distribution at 95% (2.5% tails, min to max) - 97% ( 1.5 % tails, min to max) and get average min to max velocities estimates for ammo quality.

With a spotter, like team & computer access on site, my hit % would increase a lot.
 
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There's definitely opportunity for some very long shots here in the pnw but man, there's no splashes, sometimes almost impossible to see vapor trails and the hills make for some impossible wind calls. Even if you shoot a lot in the same spot you soon realize there's some luck involved. The high power silhouette competition I've watched is pretty cool just the glass they use to see the vapor trails.
 
First and foremost this is LRH, not "a long shot for me" hunting. When someone with his credentials speaks we should listen; intently.
For the life of me I can't understand how this turned into an ethics conversation. The OP didn't open that door. If your own skill level leaves you insecure you should shoot more and type less. Making a fool of yourself at the range could eventually lead to being successful in the field.
The thing that amazes me most is y'all stepped over a nugget to pick up a turd. 💩 His experience with not only reading wind but WHERE to read it is gold. Numerous threads on this and other forums have debated this repeatedly. Most have been full of intelligent content. The OP added very valuable content here. Alas not a single comment on that insight.
 
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"I don't pay too much attention to what's happening at the target except for light conditions, because the bullet is already there."

TOF @ 1000 can be 1.0 seconds or more. Paper targets vs. mobile creatures.
 
Love the lead off of this thread. I agree with everything that was said , except for me," I "am the weakest link. I still get nervous, I still get excited. I cannot explain it, nor am I happy about being 75 years old, having good Equpment , Leupold Scopes , careful hand loads , but putting three shots into one small hole, and I'm saying to myself THIS IS THE ONE !!! , This will be a 5 shot .2 group from the Savage 308 . Then the 4 th shot moves over 1/4 inch , and 5th shot goes back in the bug hole. Now I know there is a difference between a $6 000 dollar custom rifle and the Savage 110 for $1000, but the miss is not the fault of the rifle, its just me making myself all nuts . I would love to LEARN, before its too late, how the Pro's stay so calm and relaxed. Nothing ever seems to disturb you guys . How do you all manage that ???? Cmon Guys. Share some stuff with the rest of us!!!
 
The two furthest shots I've made was on a deer at 1310 yards it took me three shots I hit tree limbs the first two shots. The second longest was 1335 on a bear. The shooting gods were with me and killed on the first shot. 338/408 300 grain bullet 3250 fps and I've taken several deer at any where from 600 to over 1000 yards.
How can you sleep in your lazy-boy with all those dead deer staring at you....it would be like one of those horror movies with all the dolls staring at you :rolleyes:
 
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