More News on the 6.5 Creedmoor: U.S. Military and DHS

[Warbird2006]

6.5x47 = Swedish 6.5 Creed =American. That's the ONLY reason

 

[epoletna]

Warbird:

Not sure what you're trying to say here. The old Swedish caliber was 6.5X55. What does this have to do with 6.5X47? What am I missing here?

 

[BigGrizz]

They tested the 140s at 2700 and 147s at 2600 in the SR25 platform in the creed. The 260 was at similar speeds not pressures. They may have been testing the same Rl15 with flash suppressants as used in the 118lr but that info isnt out to the public yet

Seems their taking the legs out from under the 308.

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

Some of those rules never made sense to me. You can use rockets and bombs on an enemy but the line is drawn on hollow point ammo? ***

 

[Capt RB]

Seems their taking the legs out from under the 308.

The creed is a better round for the distances they are going to use it at. I've competed with both and the creed 147 round is better in the wind and on steel you can here and see the difference over the 175gr 08 on steel. It will be interesting to see if the 153Atip is used or 150 smk. That was faster at the same charge weight in my creed. I just didnt have enough twist to shoot it in my location.
I just see a logistics nightmare. With all the different loadings for that MOS they will have shortages. That's not a good thing

 

[epoletna]

The objection to soft-point bullets (dum-dums) grew when the British were fighting the Indians over a century ago, and saw the horrific wounds they caused. This predated rockets and high explosive bombs.

 

[George Dean]

morning, what were bullet weights of the calibers and cartridges
tested. the 308 is norm 172grs. were the testers using handloads
or factory ammo. was the test done with black hills ammo used
by the special ops units? if I remember correctly a nations
military can not use any bullets except with solid solid tips.
Geneva convention.
justme gbot tum

Wiki dope extract re: NATO Milspec 7.62X51 :
147 gr (10 g) M80 FMJ 2,820 ft/s (860 m/s) 2,596 ft⋅lbf (3,520 J)
175 gr (11 g) M118 Long Range BTHP 2,624 ft/s (800 m/s) 2,676 ft⋅lbf (3,628 J)

 

[Earnhardt]

So what are the military contracts related to this? And what manufacturers?
140 grain bullets from who?
What brand and type of powder?
Will these contracts adversely effect the availability of some of the components we use in reloading for the 6.5 Creedmoor?

 

[just country]

morning, seems I proved myself wrong, except for the
Geneva Protocol which is part of the Hague convention.
like I said very good reading. very knowledgeable
except for those people who know everything??
justme gbot tum

 

[Canadian Bushman]

Why not just use heavier bullets in the 308?

 

[sable tireur]

Why not just use heavier bullets in the 308?

Good question.

I think there are two ways to examine your query. One is yes you can buy and load better, heavier bullets for increased performance. Two, by increasing this weight you decrease the amount of ammunition each individual soldier carries. The recoil is increased as well so the potential of hit percentage may decrease. I realize this might not make sense but when you look at the soldier's load out weight it becomes apparent.

https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/the-soldiers-heavy-load-1

While examining the load out weight, it's important to remember the weight of the body armor and associated paraphernalia such as night vision goggles. There is a list of these particulars broken down in the above link.

When the discussion begins to orient itself towards performance vs weight, the 6.5mm cartridge will rule and win the day. Lighter weight per cartridges, more cartridges in the same load weight. Lighter weight better performance, win/win. But the difference become more disparate when you examine the areas of responsibility or type of mission, who shoots what under what circumstances.

Longer range search; long range cartridges fired in longer barreled weapons. Over watch. Reach out and touch someone while under concealment. Door to door searches in urban environment; shotguns, shorter barrels, hand guns, grenades (flash bang or others), up close and personal.

 

[Canadian Bushman]

First time ive heard anyone mention weight. Up till now its all been about ballistic superiority with the 308 being far inferior to the almighty Creedmoor. Nor have i heard any mention of ground troops, who already carry 223 because of weight, carry 6.5 Creedmoor.

Everything i have read was in the context of replacing the 308 as the primary sniping and training round for military marksmen.

 

[Eagle eyes 17]

The 6.5mm Creedmoor is a medium power cartridge often compared to the .260 Remington and 6.5×47mm Lapua.
In October 2017, U.S. Special Operations Command tested the performance of 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester), .260 Remington, and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges out of SR-25, M110A1, and Mk 20 sniper rifles. SOCOM determined that 6.5 Creedmoor performed the best, doubling hit probability at 1,000 m (1,094 yd), increasing effective range by nearly half, reducing wind drift by a third and having less recoil than 7.62×51mm NATO rounds. Tests showed the .260 Remington and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges were similarly accurate and reliable and the external ballistic behavior was also very similar. The prevailing attitude is that there was more room with the 6.5mm Creedmoor to further develop projectiles and loads.[27] Because the two cartridges have similar dimensions, the same magazines can be used and a rifle can be converted with a barrel change. This led to its adoption and fielding by special operations snipers to replace the 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge in their semi-automatic sniper rifles, planned in early 2019. In response to SOCOM's adoption, the Department of Homeland Security also decided to adopt the round.[28][29]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Creedmoor

6.5 Creedmoor VS .308 Winchester

I read in the ' Military Times ' that they are trying out the 6.8 and getting even better results.

 

[Preatorian]

6.5x47 = Swedish 6.5 Creed =American. That's the ONLY reason

Doesn't the US Military have in use for years and present day Rifles chambered in .338 Lapua? I would rethink that statement.