Minimizing devices in the field

[toddc]

Just to play the devils advocate, get a Burris Eliminator III. Barely adequate glass but its a point and hit solution. I am guessing that 10 yrs from now almost nobody will be running a separate LRF, App and scope. I hate to admit it but mine will calc a shot and make it about 10 times faster than a two man team using conventional tech. Yeah its big and ugly but for making a fast shot that hits it can't be beat......maybe the new Revic will further the concept. Until it does I will be making 1st rd hits out to 1300 in under 5 seconds, usually about 2.

 

[bigngreen]

In the terrain I hunt I rely heavily in the Kestrel, most matches shot around here you'll see a lot of kestrel, it's not range that a guy misses on it's windage so I go for the best wind solution and run a Kestrel AB with a Leica 1600 or a Sig Kilo. I shoot well beyond 1000 yards so I don't want to be hobbled by a partial solution.

 

[AZShooter]

A friend uses a 257 weatherby with 115 Bergers @ 3550 fps with the trajectory set up for shots out to 350 yds. He uses the Leica 10 x 40 HD binoculars with built in rangefinder. On his scope he has a elevation turret marked in yards. He uses these to hunt elk and mule deer in SW Colorado exclusively. His shots are not more than 600 yds. He doesn't use a kestrel nor does he twist the windage turret, looks at conditions and if necessary makes windage compensation aka Kentucky windage. He says where they hunt they don't much time to make a shot. It is see them, range, twist (if necessary) and shoot or they are gone. Works for him.

 

[seidersjoden]

Does anyone have experience with the Leica Geovid HD‑B 10x42? Particularly it's ballistic functions? According to the internet you can download your weapons perimeters on a SIM card and insert into the rangefinder. Curious how accurate it is, if it accounts for corelis or spin drift?

Thanks
Joden

 

[Danehunter]

I second Toddc for the Burris Eliminator III.

Burris has a "ballistic library" for most commercial cartridges so you find your cartridge and choose that "trajectory group" and input it into the scope. You need to enter the bullet BC and muzzle velocity as well.

Eliminator III software, laser and angle sensor account for the following:

2. lighted dot for correct range with your cartridge

3. angle compensation automatically included in firing solution

4. 10 mph. "wind dot" holds in a "Christmas tree" reticle

5. trajectory lighted hold dot accurate at any magnification

BUT... I prefer the advice of s.joden for the Leica HD-B 10x 42 binoculars. With these binoculars you enter your rifle's EXACT ballistics with a given cartridge, even a handload, on a micro SC card on your computer at Leica's ballistic site, insert it into the binoculars and the binoculars have sensors for:
1. temperature
2. angle up or down
3. altitude density
4. distance (laser rangefinder)

Plus excellent glass.
So you can use these binoculars with any rifle with MOA or mil hash mark reticles and be very close to a perfect hold over (or under) and "all" you need to do is dope the wind correctly. You can choose MOA or mil hold and yards or meters for distance.

Let's face it, for western hunting you absolutely need binoculars so why not get these damned expensive Leica HD-B binocs (buy once cry once) and have your hold instantly?
I use the lesser Bushnell 1 Mile LRF binoculars and like them but "lust after" the Leicas like the gearaholic that I am.

Eric B.

Eric

 

[seidersjoden]

I second Toddc for the Burris Eliminator III.

Burris has a "ballistic library" for most commercial cartridges so you find your cartridge and choose that "trajectory group" and input it into the scope. You need to enter the bullet BC and muzzle velocity as well.

Eliminator III software, laser and angle sensor account for the following:

2. lighted dot for correct range with your cartridge

3. angle compensation automatically included in firing solution

4. 10 mph. "wind dot" holds in a "Christmas tree" reticle

5. trajectory lighted hold dot accurate at any magnification

BUT... I prefer the advice of s.joden for the Leica HD-B 10x 42 binoculars. With these binoculars you enter your rifle's EXACT ballistics with a given cartridge, even a handload, on a micro SC card on your computer at Leica's ballistic site, insert it into the binoculars and the binoculars have sensors for:
1. temperature
2. angle up or down
3. altitude density
4. distance (laser rangefinder)

Plus excellent glass.
So you can use these binoculars with any rifle with MOA or mil hash mark reticles and be very close to a perfect hold over (or under) and "all" you need to do is dope the wind correctly. You can choose MOA or mil hold and yards or meters for distance.

Let's face it, for western hunting you absolutely need binoculars so why not get these damned expensive Leica HD-B binocs (buy once cry once) and have your hold instantly?
I use the lesser Bushnell 1 Mile LRF binoculars and like them but "lust after" the Leicas like the gearaholic that I am.

Eric B.

Eric

In theory the Lieca binoculars sound like they're great but since they're so expensive, it's hard finding someone with experience with them. I would like to find out how accurate the ballistic solution is?

 

[Greyfox]

Several years ago I used the Geovid for my ranging device, but now use a dedicated Baliistic RF. While I still use the Geovids for glassing and occasional ranging, I prefer the G7(or Sig 2400) ballistic RF's having found myself separating the glassing/finding function from the shot preparation function. For the shot prep I'm now on the scope and find the RF can be quickly and easily braced against the rifle/scope while prone for a quick and solid rest as I prepare for the shot. More often then not, the animal is moving about, requiring range checks. For me, a binocular is awkward from a rifle ready position.

 

[BigJam]

G7 BR2 and forget the rest. It's not the wind right where I'm shooting and the bullet is travelling at 3000+ FPS that I'm worried about, it's the wind at 500 yards, 750 yards, 1000 yards... That I want to know when my velocity is reaching its lowest speeds and the wind has the most effect on. So you need to figure out ways to measure down range wind like grass, leaves, mirage angles. I've used the G7 for as many years as its been out up to 1 mile and it's bang on. Leica is similar because the same guy was involved in the software for both but Leica doesn't provide any wind drift solutions.

 

[DWill]

I'd recommend the Sig Kilo 2400 with the ABS software. I just attended Shawn Carlock's 3-day long range shooting class (which I'd highly recommend- learned a lot and had a great time shooting out to 2300 yards). It was my first chance to really use the Sig in field conditions and it worked great. Has ABS's Bullet Library, senses pressure, temp and direction so all you need to input in the field is latitude and you have a very accurate solution with one push of the ranging button. Dope for wind and you're set.

It's a compact unit and has a belt pouch that holds it securely. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Andy has a detailed review in the articles section of the website that I used to help get set up.

 

[seidersjoden]

I'd recommend the Sig Kilo 2400 with the ABS software. I just attended Shawn Carlock's 3-day long range shooting class (which I'd highly recommend- learned a lot and had a great time shooting out to 2300 yards). It was my first chance to really use the Sig in field conditions and it worked great. Has ABS's Bullet Library, senses pressure, temp and direction so all you need to input in the field is latitude and you have a very accurate solution with one push of the ranging button. Dope for wind and you're set.

It's a compact unit and has a belt pouch that holds it securely. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Andy has a detailed review in the articles section of the website that I used to help get set up.

I've been getting hearing great things about the kilo, power of it's laser, and that fact that it accounts for coreilis and spin wins me over, to me that matters when shooting 1000y and beyond, doesn't matter the caliber spin is at least 10" at 1000, to me that's one less thing to account for. G7 needs to get on board with accounting for these things IMO.

 

[BigJam]

Have shot a mile uphill, downhill, across valleys, east/west and north/south and the only thing I have to adjust for with the G7 is wind.

 

[eklarsen]

I would try and borrow a G7 before you write it off... I have not used the sig but the ability to store loads for several different guns is a winner for me. The G7 also has the ability to change how you want the laser to work e.g. giving preference to near/far objects really helps get an accurate reading.

 

[dfanonymous]

I have a kestral with Horus ballistics. I have a Leica 1600 B rangefinder as well. Between those two things I've done pretty well however there has to be something more simple than carrying all these objects with me and faster for generating a range card. I'm between getting a rangefinder and bino combination in one unit but then I would need a kestrel for BDC; or do I just get binoculars without a rangefinder and get something like the Sig kilo or gunwerks rangefinder for BDC. Basically I either carry binos by themselves with a rangefinder that does BDC or I carry a Bino that does rangefinding and then I carry a kestrel that does BDC? I guess the question is for long-range shooting, hunting, and also something to where I can compete in the PRS, does the sig kilo do as good as a job as the kestrel when it comes to BDC. I'm hesitant because I find it hard to believe that you can collect the atmospherics as well as a kestrel, am I wrong?

go old school. keep and carry a data book. people were shooting and making hits at long ranges way before kestrels and all this other tech came out. I still use data books too.

 

[WildRose]

I have a kestral with Horus ballistics. I have a Leica 1600 B rangefinder as well. Between those two things I've done pretty well however there has to be something more simple than carrying all these objects with me and faster for generating a range card. I'm between getting a rangefinder and bino combination in one unit but then I would need a kestrel for BDC; or do I just get binoculars without a rangefinder and get something like the Sig kilo or gunwerks rangefinder for BDC. Basically I either carry binos by themselves with a rangefinder that does BDC or I carry a Bino that does rangefinding and then I carry a kestrel that does BDC? I guess the question is for long-range shooting, hunting, and also something to where I can compete in the PRS, does the sig kilo do as good as a job as the kestrel when it comes to BDC. I'm hesitant because I find it hard to believe that you can collect the atmospherics as well as a kestrel, am I wrong?

I find no utility in carrying binos at all. I use them in the truck sometimes but they stay there.