Hey man different strokes for different folks. Ive used the 140 out of the 6.5 creed pretty extensively and have had fantastic results. In matter of fact, my wife just dumpstered a whitetail at 308 yards the other day with that load and he didn't even make it 20 yards. After using traditional hunting bullets for years I switched to the what was then the old A-max then got into the eld-m and haven't looked back. I thought about trying hammers, but at over $1 dollar a piece I just can't do it when I can do the same thing for 35-40cents a piece and not have to change my loads from my long range practice and hunting loads. I've heard lots of great things about them, they're just not my thing. If people want to do that then go for it. Again, this is my experience on whitetails and black bear sized critters. No experience on elk or like sized critters.