Leupold vx6hd 4-24x52 vs march 2.5-25x52

[brentc]

Do you have a jig to measure the reticle movement? If not then you have no way of knowing that the reticle never moves. The jig makes it plain as day to see. Then when I tell a customer their scope is a piece of junk its not my opinion but fact based. I had a mark 5 move 3 moa on a customer in the middle of his range session for no reason. Little cartridges won't cause issues. However big magnums in lightweight rifles with effective brakes play hell on optics. The march scopes are awesome. I have an extra 2.5-25x52 on the shelf that Ive seriously contemplated putting on my lighter 300 norma improved vs the kahles k525i due to the weight savings and lower magnification. The only thing holding me back is the fact that I love the windage on the left side and parallax under the elevation turret w the k525i.

Are you saying that the reticle moves 1/2 MOA and returns to its original position, or are you saying that the reticle moves and stays at a new location, thereby changing zero? It's also interesting that you saw movement in the NXS. Those are generally regarded by many to be the holy grail of durability and zero retention.

 

[duckhunter175]

Kai- I have to dial very little to 500 but I haven't had issues going back and forth to my 200 yard zero.

I'd call them- their custom shop can do a lot of retrofitting. If your VX6HD is the 4-24x that has the 34mm tube then it would basically be set up the same as the new VX5HD so I would think they can swap.

Duckhunter.... Thanks for the info on the new 3 revolution turrets.

Have you found the tracking of the Leupold turrets to be accurate and repeatable?

I wonder if my 3 month new VX-6HD scope turret could be upgraded to the 3 revolution turret.

 

[FURMAN]

I keep hearing about the "narrow" parallax adjustment on the March. Who cares? When the scope is in focus the parallax is gone. Other scopes may have what seems to be a wider adjustment but either the focus or parallax are not really adjusted correctly. My vote is March all the way. No I have never owned a Leupold. They have a horrible track record for tracking and I just can't chance it. The March scopes track perfectly, are durable, have great glass, are light weight, have the easiest to set zero stop, and have great feeling turrets. The Leupold warranty will most likely be the easier to deal with and from everything I see that is a good thing because you may need it.

 

[coyotezapper]

Do you have a jig to measure the reticle movement? If not then you have no way of knowing that the reticle never moves. The jig makes it plain as day to see. Then when I tell a customer their scope is a piece of junk its not my opinion but fact based. I had a mark 5 move 3 moa on a customer in the middle of his range session for no reason. Little cartridges won't cause issues. However big magnums in lightweight rifles with effective brakes play hell on optics. The march scopes are awesome. I have an extra 2.5-25x52 on the shelf that Ive seriously contemplated putting on my lighter 300 norma improved vs the kahles k525i due to the weight savings and lower magnification. The only thing holding me back is the fact that I love the windage on the left side and parallax under the elevation turret w the k525i.

I understand what you are saying but my point was that if the POA/reticle is changing then why isn't my POI changing? I am hitting where I am aiming each shot consistently. The two scopes mentioned sit on a 28 Nosler and a 330 Dakota.

 

[rpierce]

BrentC. The reticle moves and doesn't return.

Coyotezapper: consider yourself lucky if it doesn't move. However if you don't have a jig you don't know if its not moving. Hitting a steel target at long range doesn't tell you if it moved or not. The jig allows you to take the shooters ability out of the equation. I cant afford to have scopes move even an 1/8 moa. I test fire every rifle before it leaves my shop. My reputation and business relies on hunting rifles shooting .3moa or better, as that's what I guarantee. The 300 norma improved rifles Ive been building have averaged in the upper .2moa range fireforming brass with factory Berger Ammo. Once the brass is formed for the norma improved .1-.2 moa accuracy is the norm w a 215 berger up to 3300 fps. My h1000 load averaged 3/4 inch/.179 moa at 400 yds off the bipod for 4 groups that were shot w it. That's not attainable unless everything is perfect including the scope. Add 1/4 moa to that due to scopes moving and your at almost 1/2 moa. Add what the two leupolds moved and Im at almost 3/4 moa accuracy. Consistent bug hole groups require perfection.


The jig I use gives irrefutable evidence when a scope moves. There was a thread on accurate shooter about the same jig being used. I believe it was shut down due o many big name companies scopes failing. There was only like 2 scopes that were perfect every time. March and Kahles. There was one model of NF that was close to perfect and it was the 12-42 NXS. The NF competition failed miserably. It was a 50 some page thread.

 

[Kelly1278]

I think ill go with the March!

 

[Kelly1278]

Any experience with the mtr-4 reticle?

 

[hunterdan]

BrentC. The reticle moves and doesn't return.

Coyotezapper: consider yourself lucky if it doesn't move. However if you don't have a jig you don't know if its not moving. Hitting a steel target at long range doesn't tell you if it moved or not. The jig allows you to take the shooters ability out of the equation. I cant afford to have scopes move even an 1/8 moa. I test fire every rifle before it leaves my shop. My reputation and business relies on hunting rifles shooting .3moa or better, as that's what I guarantee. The 300 norma improved rifles Ive been building have averaged in the upper .2moa range fireforming brass with factory Berger Ammo. Once the brass is formed for the norma improved .1-.2 moa accuracy is the norm w a 215 berger up to 3300 fps. My h1000 load averaged 3/4 inch/.179 moa at 400 yds off the bipod for 4 groups that were shot w it. That's not attainable unless everything is perfect including the scope. Add 1/4 moa to that due to scopes moving and your at almost 1/2 moa. Add what the two leupolds moved and Im at almost 3/4 moa accuracy. Consistent bug hole groups require perfection.


The jig I use gives irrefutable evidence when a scope moves. There was a thread on accurate shooter about the same jig being used. I believe it was shut down due o many big name companies scopes failing. There was only like 2 scopes that were perfect every time. March and Kahles. There was one model of NF that was close to perfect and it was the 12-42 NXS. The NF competition failed miserably. It was a 50 some page thread.

This is great information. Thanks rpierce! Have you happen to test the NF SHVs are sightron s111 with that jig ?

 

[rpierce]

No problem. I haven't tested those scopes. heres a link to where you can buy the jig https://fieldandcaveoutfitters.com/

 

[brentc]

BrentC. The reticle moves and doesn't return.

Coyotezapper: consider yourself lucky if it doesn't move. However if you don't have a jig you don't know if its not moving. Hitting a steel target at long range doesn't tell you if it moved or not. The jig allows you to take the shooters ability out of the equation. I cant afford to have scopes move even an 1/8 moa. I test fire every rifle before it leaves my shop. My reputation and business relies on hunting rifles shooting .3moa or better, as that's what I guarantee. The 300 norma improved rifles Ive been building have averaged in the upper .2moa range fireforming brass with factory Berger Ammo. Once the brass is formed for the norma improved .1-.2 moa accuracy is the norm w a 215 berger up to 3300 fps. My h1000 load averaged 3/4 inch/.179 moa at 400 yds off the bipod for 4 groups that were shot w it. That's not attainable unless everything is perfect including the scope. Add 1/4 moa to that due to scopes moving and your at almost 1/2 moa. Add what the two leupolds moved and Im at almost 3/4 moa accuracy. Consistent bug hole groups require perfection.


The jig I use gives irrefutable evidence when a scope moves. There was a thread on accurate shooter about the same jig being used. I believe it was shut down due o many big name companies scopes failing. There was only like 2 scopes that were perfect every time. March and Kahles. There was one model of NF that was close to perfect and it was the 12-42 NXS. The NF competition failed miserably. It was a 50 some page thread.

Although I haven't had a zero retention problem with either my Leupolds or Nightforces, I respect your position and experience. I have had various scope problems with about every brand I've used to include Nightforce and March, but the only true zero retention issue I've seen on the target was with a Zeiss V6. I've never used a Kahles, but I want one.

 

[Wedgy]

The jig I use gives irrefutable evidence when a scope moves. There was a thread on accurate shooter about the same jig being used. I believe it was shut down due o many big name companies scopes failing. There was only like 2 scopes that were perfect every time. March and Kahles. There was one model of NF that was close to perfect and it was the 12-42 NXS. The NF competition failed miserably. It was a 50 some page thread.

From a top gun builder in the Accurate Shooter thread;
"I wont be without a frozen scope and scope checker, ever. Its the biggest eye opener in this game"

I have always been upgrading my optics as I go along and have some pretty expensive scopes riding atop 10/22's assigned to ground squirrel duty if they don't perform or worse are inconsistent. Currently on the top end is March, Nightforce, and VX-6's but I think I will add some Kahles after seeing the results from that thread. Their new 3.5-18x50mm should be nice except for the 33oz weight

 

[sp6x6]

Alex Wheeler on here was just advising scope checker,think it was on 338 lapua thread.

 

[Wedgy]

Alex Wheeler on here was just advising scope checker,think it was on 338 lapua thread.

He is the "top builder" I was referring to.

 

[davewilson]

i bought a march 7 years ago. i'll never own another. it is without a doubt the worst scope i've ever owned. i heard nothing but rave reviews so i bit the bullet and paid over 2k for a scope that i could do anything with. a 2.5-25. well it just flat out isn't clear to the point you can't really focus it. i've had others use it and say it's like looking through an old Tasco on high power. guess there's a reason they only have a 5 year warranty. just telling my experience with a March.