Lapping Scope Rings

So unless you want ring marks on your $2,328 scope I would suggest you lap. Pretty sure this guy knows what he's doing.


Len Backus
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5-25x56 NF ATACR with MOAR-T reticle - NEW
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This is a brand new scope. We mounted it by mistake before realizing it was the wrong reticle for our customer. We immediately removed it.

You can just barely see ring marks. So very faint you can hardly see them.

So Free shipping and a free set of NF 34 mm rings ($184 value) because of the very faint ring marks.

$2,328
 
Wedgy said:
So unless you want ring marks on your $2,328 scope I would suggest you lap. Pretty sure this guy knows what he's doing.


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The reason why some get ring scars on a scope is because they didnt tighten it properly. If the ring FITS and is sufficiently TIGHT on the scope tube...hows it going to slip? RECOIL?? It wasnt tight enough then.

I lapped one set of good brand rings in for a 6-18 Leopold scope and wont ever do that again!
 
I lapped two sets of Talleys and if I get anymore they will be lapped. If I was going with a heavier rifle I would go with Burris Signatures which have the plastic inserts.
 
Tikkamike said:
the wheeler and sinclair lapping kits come with allignment bars. they help in telling if the rings are straight. I lap everything except my NF Direct mounts which is all one piece. I personally dont care about a warranty on a set of rings.. the only thing that will fail on a set of high dollar rings is maybe the screws and those are cheap. so to me the warranty is just a feel good thing for the consumer. Lap your rings and do it properly.
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It's funny seeing Mike here commenting on his disregard for the warranty on rings. Mike sold me a set of Badger Ordnance rings through his classified ads that had been lapped and weren't listed as such.

When the rings arrived and I asked Mike for a refund since I didn't want Badger rings that had already been lapped and were void of the warranty he agreed to send me a refund when he could get the funds together. This was back in February, since then he's been buying toys here on the classifieds so I can only assume he isn't (wasn't) actually short on cash.

The last contact I had from Mike (2/26) was his promise to send me the refund soon, since then he won't answer my calls or pm's which leads me to believe he doesn't like lapped rings as much as his comments here would suggest.
 
Erin Gillespie said:
It's funny seeing Mike here commenting on his disregard for the warranty on rings. Mike sold me a set of Badger Ordnance rings through his classified ads that had been lapped and weren't listed as such.

When the rings arrived and I asked Mike for a refund since I didn't want Badger rings that had already been lapped and were void of the warranty he agreed to send me a refund when he could get the funds together. This was back in February, since then he's been buying toys here on the classifieds so I can only assume he isn't (wasn't) actually short on cash.

The last contact I had from Mike (2/26) was his promise to send me the refund soon, since then he won't answer my calls or pm's which leads me to believe he doesn't like lapped rings as much as his comments here would suggest.
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If he recieved your money then he HAD the money to repay you....but evidently he PI&&&D is away before spending it properly. My condolences to you sir....got my fingers crosed for you
 
Sully2 said:
If he recieved your money then he HAD the money to repay you....but evidently he PI&&&D is away before spending it properly. My condolences to you sir....got my fingers crosed for you
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You know, his initial request to give him some time was perfectly acceptable if it had been true and the money was already spent, I didn't need the refund immediately. In fact, I didn't even send him a PM asking when I could expect the refund until over a month later on 4/2 and a second inquiry on 6/09 when I still hadn't even received a reply to the 4/2 PM (I still haven't received a reply to either).

In this thread he purchased a $625 scope on 5/19, demonstrating that money was not the real issue at hand.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/for...azor-gen-ii-2-pst-1-hs-lr-154290/#post1085258

I know he reads my messages, I sent him one only last week that he read, chose not to reply to, then went and visited my profile here on LRH, if you click my name you will see his name in the log of visitors.

As far as I can tell the man just thinks leading me on about actually sending a refund then ignoring me is the proper way to deal with this. His pm's offered no initial evidence of deception when I asked him for a refund, this is the last message I received from him on 2/26:

"I will accept return, however I dont have the money right now but if you can bare with me I will get it rounded up and send your money back. then when you have your money you can send them back. no hard feelings. I thought I had that they were lapped in the description so I appologize for that."
 
Erin Gillespie said:
You know, his initial request to give him some time was perfectly acceptable if it had been true and the money was already spent, I didn't need the refund immediately. In fact, I didn't even send him a PM asking when I could expect the refund until over a month later on 4/2 and a second inquiry on 6/09 when I still hadn't even received a reply to the 4/2 PM (I still haven't received a reply to either).

In this thread he purchased a $625 scope on 5/19, demonstrating that money was not the real issue at hand.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/for...azor-gen-ii-2-pst-1-hs-lr-154290/#post1085258

I know he reads my messages, I sent him one only last week that he read, chose not to reply to, then went and visited my profile here on LRH, if you click my name you will see his name in the log of visitors.

As far as I can tell the man just thinks leading me on about actually sending a refund then ignoring me is the proper way to deal with this. His pm's offered no initial evidence of deception when I asked him for a refund, this is the last message I received from him on 2/26:

"I will accept return, however I dont have the money right now but if you can bare with me I will get it rounded up and send your money back. then when you have your money you can send them back. no hard feelings. I thought I had that they were lapped in the description so I appologize for that."
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Then we ALL need to get on his case here then. If he will cheat YOU then who si next?? And in this day and age who DOESNT have the cost of a set of rings easily available to them??
 
bruce_ventura said:
With high quality, fully machined rings, the straightness of the rail usually determines whether or not to lap. If the rail is well made and fits the receiver perfectly, the rings should be coaxial and should not need lapping. A perfect fit is possible, for example, if the rail is properly bedded, or if it's machined into the receiver.

On the other hand, accessory rails merely tightened onto a Rem 700 receiver are likely to have some twist and bend deformation. If you test the rings using a good steel ruler, you will often find that even high quality rings are not coaxial.
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Very true.

If you put a steel ruler to a rail you'll find its not straight. Some rails are more straight than others. But what really counts is whether the rail is straight once torqued to a rifle. The ideal setup has a receiver with a built in rail. But most actions don't. So lapping is the only way to achieve perfect alignment. Now, some will argue that bedding a rail will assure perfect alignment, however bedding a warped rail will only give you a bedded warped rail. Finally, if you think that a high quality rail is gonna be perfectly straight, you should check some high quality rails. From my experience, Badger is the least warped and your best bet. IOR rails are machined wrong. TPS looks like a banana. If you send it back they will straighten it for you- it will look like a banana that has been molested in a vice.

So don't ef up your scope. Get a steel ruler and put on a pair of glasses. Put the ruler to the rail. Look for light under the ruler. Fix the misalignment.
 
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