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Ian M
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Eaglet,
That is going to be fun - already some interesting stuff happening.
Thanks
That is going to be fun - already some interesting stuff happening.
Thanks
Kinda interesting but it might be nice to know what everone is <font color="red">useing</font> for brass and why??
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223 and 375/50BMG= WCC(cheap for the 223 and as good as any for the 375/50BMG
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6 & 6.5/284=Lapua(long range prairie dog rigs,I need all the help I can get)
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204,22-250,243,25-06,7mag,30-06,300Winmag=Winchester(it works & is readily available!!)
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308Baer=340 Norma and Weatherby brass came with the gun(aint shot it enough to tell the difference
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6.5x55=gets Reminton factory loads(I dont shoot it much and the Remington outshoots any of my reloads???)
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The only difference I have realy noticed between different brands of brass is being too tuff(crackt necks,Remington brass in the 22-250)or soft( Norma seams to not take near as hot of a load as Winchester,6.5WSM)
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Whats everyone else USEING and why
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223 and 375/50BMG= WCC(cheap for the 223 and as good as any for the 375/50BMG
.
6 & 6.5/284=Lapua(long range prairie dog rigs,I need all the help I can get)
.
204,22-250,243,25-06,7mag,30-06,300Winmag=Winchester(it works & is readily available!!)
.
308Baer=340 Norma and Weatherby brass came with the gun(aint shot it enough to tell the difference
.
6.5x55=gets Reminton factory loads(I dont shoot it much and the Remington outshoots any of my reloads???)
.
The only difference I have realy noticed between different brands of brass is being too tuff(crackt necks,Remington brass in the 22-250)or soft( Norma seams to not take near as hot of a load as Winchester,6.5WSM)
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Whats everyone else USEING and why
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My preferred brass is actually Federal, but I guess its the same as Norma (same parent company).
[/ QUOTE ]If they are the same parent company that is news to me but even if they are the brass IS NOT the same. Federal is the best of the domestic brass hands down. but Norma is euro brass that is a notch above. The metalurgy is obviously not the same,if you neck turn cases Federal (Win and Rem also) turn like butter compared to Norma (and Lapua). the primer pockets on the Norma (and Lapua) are tighter from start to finish of case life than our domestic brass. Federal is the best stuff made in the USA, but it pains me to say that the Euro's make better brass but they do. on the bright side it is not made in France and it is one less thing we dont get from China.
UB
My preferred brass is actually Federal, but I guess its the same as Norma (same parent company).
[/ QUOTE ]If they are the same parent company that is news to me but even if they are the brass IS NOT the same. Federal is the best of the domestic brass hands down. but Norma is euro brass that is a notch above. The metalurgy is obviously not the same,if you neck turn cases Federal (Win and Rem also) turn like butter compared to Norma (and Lapua). the primer pockets on the Norma (and Lapua) are tighter from start to finish of case life than our domestic brass. Federal is the best stuff made in the USA, but it pains me to say that the Euro's make better brass but they do. on the bright side it is not made in France and it is one less thing we dont get from China.
UB
A couple years ago, can't remember when, Federal bought out Norma. The timeline correlates with Federal's addition of vastly increasing Premium line and high energy/ higerh velocity loads. At some point, again this is all hearsay, Federal was using MRP and now its successor for the "Light Mag/Heavy Mag" stuff they have.
My saying it was the same as Norma is a reflection of my opinion that on both sides of the pond, they are the best commercially available. A qualifier to that is as follows: they are the best manufacturers of brass that make commercial brass in calibers that I have shot/owned.
My saying it was the same as Norma is a reflection of my opinion that on both sides of the pond, they are the best commercially available. A qualifier to that is as follows: they are the best manufacturers of brass that make commercial brass in calibers that I have shot/owned.
Buffalobob
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weatherby brass is all made by Norma. You can buy it with either headstamp but it is the same
goodgrouper
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Eaglet,
That was fun but some of your q's don't really have anything to do with the brass.
What fails first on well used brass is more a result of chamber dimensions, pressure curves, die dimensions and die setup. True, some brass like Lapua last very long but only if proper care is taken. If you don't set up your dies correctly or they are grossly undersized, running Lapua brass through them won't make it any better. A properly set up die using Winchester brass will last longer than the former.
And on asking the question of "what is your favorite brass", does this mean with neck turning or without because if you are neck turning more than .001" off Lapua, you will be cussing it like a sailor and wishing you'd bought Norma!
I acually have been working on some Remington brass of a good lot and was surpised that it actually had more uniform pockets and case heads than the last <font color="red">3 </font> batches of Lapua AND Norma!
Like you said, this will be interesting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
That was fun but some of your q's don't really have anything to do with the brass.
What fails first on well used brass is more a result of chamber dimensions, pressure curves, die dimensions and die setup. True, some brass like Lapua last very long but only if proper care is taken. If you don't set up your dies correctly or they are grossly undersized, running Lapua brass through them won't make it any better. A properly set up die using Winchester brass will last longer than the former.
And on asking the question of "what is your favorite brass", does this mean with neck turning or without because if you are neck turning more than .001" off Lapua, you will be cussing it like a sailor and wishing you'd bought Norma!
I acually have been working on some Remington brass of a good lot and was surpised that it actually had more uniform pockets and case heads than the last <font color="red">3 </font> batches of Lapua AND Norma!
Like you said, this will be interesting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
goodgrouper
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Norma making brass for Weatherby is old news, but If Federal bought Norma-I have not heard it. ATK owns Federal and Thiokol and thier company list was released to retailers for an employee purchase program and there were several dozen sub-companies on the list and Norma was not one of them.
Not saying this is bs, but I would like to see more documentation on this if you have any. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Not saying this is bs, but I would like to see more documentation on this if you have any. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
goodgrouper,
It's like Ian M said, it's all about getting information and I'm getting it. If I hadn't asked what I asked you would not have given me the info. you just did! Thanks!!!
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I acually have been working on some Remington brass of a good lot and was surpised that it actually had more uniform pockets and case heads than the last 3 batches of Lapua AND Norma!
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I have been getting consitently 1/2" groups @ 100 yds with my 300 RUM factory barrel and remington brass. It's just getting good! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It's like Ian M said, it's all about getting information and I'm getting it. If I hadn't asked what I asked you would not have given me the info. you just did! Thanks!!!
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I acually have been working on some Remington brass of a good lot and was surpised that it actually had more uniform pockets and case heads than the last 3 batches of Lapua AND Norma!
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I have been getting consitently 1/2" groups @ 100 yds with my 300 RUM factory barrel and remington brass. It's just getting good! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
