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Inconsistent rifle due to recoil/muzzle climb
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<blockquote data-quote="LDHunter" data-source="post: 1608474" data-attributes="member: 105"><p>Dirty,</p><p></p><p>What do your groups look like? Are you only getting vertical stringing?</p><p></p><p>I've used a lot of lightweight rifles with skinny barrels and finally gave up getting good accuracy from skinny barrels. What I have found that works in lightweight rigs is medium weight barrels, quality and well bedded stocks and being familiar with shooting lightweight rifles and pulling the butt back against my shoulder by gripping the wrist and pulling back with my trigger hand.</p><p></p><p>Putting downward pressure on any part of any rifle when you shoot is never something that is repeatable especially on any hunting rifle in the field.</p><p></p><p>Another thing. The excessive muzzle rise you're reporting when you shoot makes absolutely no sense at all. You need to figure out what is causing this. I'm not familiar with your stock but unless it has much drop at the comb then it baffles me unless it's just that you aren't used to shooting a lightweight rifle with a "magnum" cartridge and what you're experiencing is the way lightweight rifles recoil.</p><p></p><p>I have a couple of 7mmSAUM rifles that weigh in at 6.5 pounds unscoped and when I shoot 160gr and heavier bullets I get muzzle rise and maybe I'm just used to it after over 40 years of shooting lightweight rifles but it doesn't affect my accuracy. I think the 7SAUM has very similar ballistics to the 280AI.</p><p></p><p>My take on muzzle brakes is that unless they're needed on a rifle with truly shoulder damaging recoil due to heavy projectiles being propelled at high velocities such as a 338 Lapua or 50BMG is that they make a lot of hearing damaging noise and cover up the symptom of a poor stock design or overall weight issue.</p><p></p><p>Not everyone should be shooting heavy recoiling rifles. It's simply too much trauma for many to handle. Look at video of people shooting lightweight magnum rifles and decide whether or not you are willing to subject yourself to that. It's not something we talk about much but it's akin to a the noise of a close up rock band at a concert and being punched very hard in the shoulder. A lifetime of shooting can make us numb to it but there are many physical maladies that can result from it with serious hearing loss despite our use of premium hearing protection being the most noticeable.</p><p></p><p>I've opted to put up with it due to my commitment to hunting medium to large game with what I consider adequate firepower and my love for making lightweight rifles shoot but I sometimes wonder if it's worth it. LOL</p><p></p><p>$bob$</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LDHunter, post: 1608474, member: 105"] Dirty, What do your groups look like? Are you only getting vertical stringing? I've used a lot of lightweight rifles with skinny barrels and finally gave up getting good accuracy from skinny barrels. What I have found that works in lightweight rigs is medium weight barrels, quality and well bedded stocks and being familiar with shooting lightweight rifles and pulling the butt back against my shoulder by gripping the wrist and pulling back with my trigger hand. Putting downward pressure on any part of any rifle when you shoot is never something that is repeatable especially on any hunting rifle in the field. Another thing. The excessive muzzle rise you're reporting when you shoot makes absolutely no sense at all. You need to figure out what is causing this. I'm not familiar with your stock but unless it has much drop at the comb then it baffles me unless it's just that you aren't used to shooting a lightweight rifle with a "magnum" cartridge and what you're experiencing is the way lightweight rifles recoil. I have a couple of 7mmSAUM rifles that weigh in at 6.5 pounds unscoped and when I shoot 160gr and heavier bullets I get muzzle rise and maybe I'm just used to it after over 40 years of shooting lightweight rifles but it doesn't affect my accuracy. I think the 7SAUM has very similar ballistics to the 280AI. My take on muzzle brakes is that unless they're needed on a rifle with truly shoulder damaging recoil due to heavy projectiles being propelled at high velocities such as a 338 Lapua or 50BMG is that they make a lot of hearing damaging noise and cover up the symptom of a poor stock design or overall weight issue. Not everyone should be shooting heavy recoiling rifles. It's simply too much trauma for many to handle. Look at video of people shooting lightweight magnum rifles and decide whether or not you are willing to subject yourself to that. It's not something we talk about much but it's akin to a the noise of a close up rock band at a concert and being punched very hard in the shoulder. A lifetime of shooting can make us numb to it but there are many physical maladies that can result from it with serious hearing loss despite our use of premium hearing protection being the most noticeable. I've opted to put up with it due to my commitment to hunting medium to large game with what I consider adequate firepower and my love for making lightweight rifles shoot but I sometimes wonder if it's worth it. LOL $bob$ [/QUOTE]
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