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I just Can't help it, 338-06 AI er ?

Bobcatter

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Something about building new rifles and handguns, I just can't stop myself, and I always have a reason, this time, I don't have one for big game this light, but I think I have a need.

I've gotta be outa my mind, but I am thinking of doing this in 338-06 AI caliber, only a complete custom build. I have a new Stainless Steel 700 Remington Long Action, standard bolt face ordered. I also ordered all the hardware for a BDL bottom metal and mag box follower and spring. All this to go in the, under 20 oz. Peak 44 Blacktooth stock. to top it off, I will building it on a Douglas #3 remington Sporter blank.

I say outa my mind as I'm 70 years old, and with severe arthritis and 3 vertebrae pinned in my neck to go with the 8 fused vertebrae in my lower back, I aint sure how much fun this will be to shoot in 338-06 AI. I aint even sure I will even be able to use it? But I've had about everything else in the past, and since I want this to be light, I figured the 338-06 AI was about all I should try in a 7ish pound hunting gun?

I know in the past, I decided some 15 or 20 years ago, I don't really care for the magnums, they just don't offer anything to kill big game that I can't do with non magnums, as long as I have a medium to heavy bullet that shoots accurately out to 500 hundred or so yards. Besides, I never thought those magnums, belted or unbelted, had as much class, or as sexy as the Ackley cartridges on 7x57 or 06 brass were.

But if this caliber is to hard on the old bones, I can always screw a 6mm rem, 257 Roberts, on the 7,8x57 case or even a 25-06 or 280, all in the Ackley Improved versions. The Long Action will work with either, and accommodate longer seating for those Xx57 rounds. But my thoughts are, the 338 with 180 grain I can use for even whitetail, and still take the recoil. Hunting them is still doable in my condition, not so sure I could still hit Public land for Elk, or even draw a tag.

Then something keeps telling me, even the 25 calibers will do that,, and maybe in my physical condition, at my age, maybe a better choice. I always loved my custom 300 WM qand 338 WN I had years ago built by Fred Sinclair back in my 20's. Knowing those old guns were built much like I am planning today. We just didn't have 20 oz stable hunting stocks, the General Purpose classic McMillan hunting stock was what those used. Probably 20 to 30 oz. heavier to start with. But they were built with the same light hunting contoured barrels I'm choosing today. I've just always enjoyed building new rifles, and this one, will be the lightest I've ever built over 30 cal. will it be a smooth shooter, ar a snappy kicker?

But I have 90 days or so to change my mind, and only need 3 to 4 weeks to get a barrel from Shilen Douglass or Hart. So I'm waiting a couple months to order it. My question to you all is, is this new stock package going to make the 338-06 AI fun to use, or will it be a safe queen, only taken out to shoot when I want to hunt with it. 2 years ago my Linebaugh's got sold, because they were just to hard on my wrists after 20 or rounds, and I hate safe queens!
 
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Are you against a muzzle brake? That would allow you to shoot that rifle without much issue.
YES! I am not fond of tuners either! I have nothing against them for those that like them, but they ain't my cup of tea. I've shot long and short range Bench Rest, NBRSA IBS and many long and short range local Bench Rest matches for decades, never had much use for them, and I wouldn't be waiting on a 20 oz stock, or using a sporter weight barrel, if 6 or 7 useless ounces didn't matter. I'd rather be rocked than wear hearing protection to hunt, and light as possible is what this rifle build is all about, with extreme accuracy of course!

Of course I can screw a 25 caliber Ackley flavored on in a light sporter barrel if I need to enjoy it, I just hope this stock works as they boast about it to do?

I'm a dinosaur what can I say, bull headed old codger that's to old to change most of my ways. Same with the Peak Bastion stock, That vertical pistol grip and deep drop at the start of the but may be more comfortable, but it looks like it belongs on a bench or on bags. I like classic styling. But I own one rifle with a brake, out of over 15. It is on a 600 yard bench gun, and will be the last I ever own. I'm building a new 257 Ackley on a custom Walnut Laminated stock I had built with every other layer rotating the direction of the grain 90 degree's for add rigidity, speed and accuracy are concern. I will be building it with a HV taper Brux barrel, being rifled as I type. My gunsmith suggested using the same brake off my bench gun on this. No cost, but I just don't like the looks on a hunting gun, and this new Savage in wild Walnut, will be a looker. In that stock with a 6 fluted 26" barrel. This barrel and scope were used just to mock up the action and stock, only pick I have. It should be my new LR Varmint setup!
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I also have seen that it did not help with accuracy, so it's unsightly to me, and does nothing to justify it. I try not to publish my loads, because they are probably not listed or shown anywhere else. My 223 truck gun, runs 47 grain custom HP at 3812 fps av. but also with it's light wimpy barrel shoots .3 to .4 moa, seldom producing a .5" 5 shot group @ 100 yards. and does pretty good @ 300, in mild cros winds. I state this because I can assure you I will be running at or better than any velocity shown with the 180 to 250 grain bullets. I am not recoil shy. I just hope I enjoy shooting it enough to want to shoot it often.

That Blacktooth stock with the 3D hex recoil pad is supposed to take harsh instant kick, and smooth it to a softer slowed down push. I was hoping some could comment on how well this stock does exactly that.
 
Go for it!
The idea of a suppressor? Ti can will not be too bad, even a shorty that's not quite hearing safe will mitigate recoil tremendously.
 
I had a 338-06 AI built on a Mauser action with a XX Douglas Supreme barrel about 25 years ago, I have 3X Leupold scope on it with a Timney trigger. I also had it a little on the light side as I had it built for hunting elk in the steep dark timber of N. Idaho which I no longer do at 74 years young. I shoot 200 gr. Speer bullets for fire forming cases which I also hunt with the fire forming load if I want to and 225 gr. Hornady SP for elk and moose. It is very accurate with both of these bullets. I was thinking of either using the 200 gr or a lighter bullet for deer in 2025 as I have not carried or hunted with this rifle for a few years, and yes it does pack a punch on both ends.
 
Years ago I had 338 Gibbs built on a Ruger No1 with an 27" octagon barrel.

The Gibbs version moves the shoulder forward about .100", almost identical to the 338 Scovill (listed in the Barnes #4 manual)

Forming cases in the No.1 was a chore, no crush factor. Had to neck up 35 Whelen cases to 375, then back to 35 for a false shoulder, then to 338.
Once they were done, turned out great.

Played around with a buddies 338 Rice, very close to the 338-06 AI, little different shoulder angle.

Loves 225 Barnes TTSX, not too far behind a 338 mag without the recoil.

Love it!
 

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Something about building new rifles and handguns, I just can't stop myself, and I always have a reason, this time, I don't have one for big game this light, but I think I have a need.

I've gotta be outa my mind, but I am thinking of doing this in 338-06 AI caliber, only a complete custom build. I have a new Stainless Steel 700 Remington Long Action, standard bolt face ordered. I also ordered all the hardware for a BDL bottom metal and mag box follower and spring. All this to go in the, under 20 oz. Peak 44 Blacktooth stock. to top it off, I will building it on a Douglas #3 remington Sporter blank.

I say outa my mind as I'm 70 years old, and with severe arthritis and 3 vertebrae pinned in my neck to go with the 8 fused vertebrae in my lower back, I aint sure how much fun this will be to shoot in 338-06 AI. I aint even sure I will even be able to use it? But I've had about everything else in the past, and since I want this to be light, I figured the 338-06 AI was about all I should try in a 7ish pound hunting gun?

I know in the past, I decided some 15 or 20 years ago, I don't really care for the magnums, they just don't offer anything to kill big game that I can't do with non magnums, as long as I have a medium to heavy bullet that shoots accurately out to 500 hundred or so yards. Besides, I never thought those magnums, belted or unbelted, had as much class, or as sexy as the Ackley cartridges on 7x57 or 06 brass were.

But if this caliber is to hard on the old bones, I can always screw a 6mm rem, 257 Roberts, on the 7,8x57 case or even a 25-06 or 280, all in the Ackley Improved versions. The Long Action will work with either, and accommodate longer seating for those Xx57 rounds. But my thoughts are, the 338 with 180 grain I can use for even whitetail, and still take the recoil. Hunting them is still doable in my condition, not so sure I could still hit Public land for Elk, or even draw a tag.

Then something keeps telling me, even the 25 calibers will do that,, and maybe in my physical condition, at my age, maybe a better choice. I always loved my custom 300 WM qand 338 WN I had years ago built by Fred Sinclair back in my 20's. Knowing those old guns were built much like I am planning today. We just didn't have 20 oz stable hunting stocks, the General Purpose classic McMillan hunting stock was what those used. Probably 20 to 30 oz. heavier to start with. But they were built with the same light hunting contoured barrels I'm choosing today. I've just always enjoyed building new rifles, and this one, will be the lightest I've ever built over 30 cal. will it be a smooth shooter, ar a snappy kicker?

But I have 90 days or so to change my mind, and only need 3 to 4 weeks to get a barrel from Shilen Douglass or Hart. So I'm waiting a couple months to order it. My question to you all is, is this new stock package going to make the 338-06 AI fun to use, or will it be a safe queen, only taken out to shoot when I want to hunt with it. 2 years ago my Linebaugh's got sold, because they were just to hard on my wrists after 20 or rounds, and I hate safe queens!
If your health issue/medical condition allows you to enjoy it, go for it.
 
I say build it! I am doing kind of the same thing but going 35 Whelen. It is a Tikka action on a Pure Precision carbon stock, Mountain Tactical bottom metal. Found a fella in Canada that mills Tikka replacement bolts (switching the rifle over from a 300WM) to put a new bolt together. Bartlien is spinning up and reaming the new barrel. I have no idea what I will use this rifle for. Historically it is "America's magnum" and should be fun to play with.
 
Sounds like a great project, I love those barrels out of West Virginia. Who makes those leather scope end caps that you have on your varmint rig?
 
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