How not, to use a 6.5 creedmoor

[Alibiiv]

That is a fact! Its a different thing when you get there and there 8k hoof prints because they have been there day after day. That same thing has made me close in how far i shoot at times. If its wet the blood trail goes away quickly too.

Exactly and that was my point when I wrote it. I truly admire this whole family of hunters, three generations grandfather, father and son; it doesn't get any better than that! The hunter was obviously very nervous by watching him after the shot. I have written it here in this forum many times that if one is true to themselves, no one on here reading today can say that there wasn't a shot that they wished they hadn't made, or who can say that every shot they've ever taken at game was as clean as they would have liked it.

 

[FIGJAM]

Friend of mine shot a 5x5 bull this year at just under 300 yds. He shoots a 300 Win Mag. Was using blue box federal 180 gr I believe. Hit that bull perfect. Double lung broadside and gave him 20 minutes. Bull tried to get up and needed a finishing shot. After gutting it had two good sized holes in both lungs from his first shot. Amazing he was still alive after a double lung shot 20 minutes later.

Put a berger in that same spot and it is a quick death.

 

[FIGJAM]

It appears that if your first shot is off 3-5 inches at 600yrds in the field people lose their mind on this forum and you just suck, are unethical, and just a horrible person?

Wow, there are a lot of people on here that have only had perfect shots with perfect results in their lives.

Obviously the person it the video is a better shot that MANY of the people on this site. It was a first round hit that couldn't have been off more than a few inches. The final shot was a perfect neck shot. The second shot was just barely over the back, and the third was a bad shot. So maybe 1 actual bad shot out of 4 at 600ish yards in the field? Get off the bench people, ----. Your half inch groups at 100 yards shot from a sled don't make you a better marksman than a 10 year old shooting at cans with a bb gun.

We all know we could be better QBs than Drew Brees when we are just commenting on his one throw in one game using hindsight, right?

I would debate cartridge choice all day, but never say his choice was unethical. Do we even know what bullet design he was shooting? What was his elevation, thus energy of that bullet at that range? I could debate with a lot of the people that say 6.5 is fine and that shot placement is everything...... if this is true then why aren't people only shooting match grade FMJ and aiming for a head shot only with the 6.5?

And then you watch a few more videos on their youtube channel and realize they really are as dumb as you think they are...

 

[Alibiiv]

It would be the three legged bull track heading down hill away from all the other elk looking for a spot to stop. If you can't follow that you'd have a difficult time recovering elk in bow season!!

Well I cannot comment on finding a three-legged elk that has been shot with an arrow, however I can tell you about a deer that I did shoot in Vermont one year. 75 yards away, standing broadside, 30-06 in the shoulder! Deer went down like it was hit with lightning and it rolled backwards over the berm where I shot it. Very confident with the shot, put my gear together and started walking towards the deer, I figured I was done hunting! As I approached the deer it got up and ran into the woods before I could get off a shot, but.....it was running funny and on three legs. So now I'm tracking a deer dragging one leg and no blood!! It was pretty simple until the deer went into a swampy bogg where a lot of deer had passed through and all trails leaving the bogg were muddy and well traveled. A couple of days later I cut the track of that deer again because it snowed (the left leg was dragging) but I never saw it again that season, we named the deer Bigfoot. For two years we hunted him, on the third year I shot Bigfoot! The first year that I shot that deer I'd whacked my rifle, the scope was off, instead of hitting the right shoulder that was facing me the shot grazed the left shoulder deep and severed muscles.

 

[FIGJAM]

It appears that if your first shot is off 3-5 inches at 600yrds in the field people lose their mind on this forum and you just suck, are unethical, and just a horrible person?

Wow, there are a lot of people on here that have only had perfect shots with perfect results in their lives.

Obviously the person it the video is a better shot that MANY of the people on this site. It was a first round hit that couldn't have been off more than a few inches. The final shot was a perfect neck shot. The second shot was just barely over the back, and the third was a bad shot. So maybe 1 actual bad shot out of 4 at 600ish yards in the field? Get off the bench people, ----. Your half inch groups at 100 yards shot from a sled don't make you a better marksman than a 10 year old shooting at cans with a bb gun.

We all know we could be better QBs than Drew Brees when we are just commenting on his one throw in one game using hindsight, right?

I would debate cartridge choice all day, but never say his choice was unethical. Do we even know what bullet design he was shooting? What was his elevation, thus energy of that bullet at that range? I could debate with a lot of the people that say 6.5 is fine and that shot placement is everything...... if this is true then why aren't people only shooting match grade FMJ and aiming for a head shot only with the 6.5?

I after watching the video a few times, I highly doubt the guy was trying to make a perfect neck shot at 600 yards...i am thinking he just got lucky and missed another shoulder shot and stuck it in his neck! Lol

 

[Almondgrower]

This is a prime example why you need to plan your bullet , caliber, carefully for what you hunt . I won't even get into shooting ability. You need to plan for the worst case hit becouse ......things happen. Look close at a rib bone next time you gut a elk , they r huge ! We all know Elk are very large tough animals . A smaller caliber bullet rite threw the motor room will to the job of course but a perfect shot often doesn't happen ! You need to plan for the unplanned like a stick 1/2 way between you and your target that the scope is not focused on and is too small to see with the naked eye or the animal taking a step at trigger break . IMO a 147g 6.5 bullet is way to risky for those un planned events even at closer ranges . I'm defiantly not saying 6.5c won't do the job but according to the video I see ( without knowing all the behind the sceens info , I also shoot several 6.5c) the shooter should have maxed his range to 200-300 yds max! That would be no problem for the 6.5c and the shooter ( not factoring in buck feaver either ) . In fairness to the shooter , he may be a MOA shooter but just got hit with buck fever or a poor rest , either way , don't take the shot till it's all accounted for . If you want to shoot far at BIG game then shoot a mag with a heavy for caliber PREMIUM HUNTING bullet . Some may not like the recoil or muzzle blast of a mag and that is fine but shoot a smaller case and /or caliber at closer range ! I watched a few hunters take a shot at a bull from 975 yards and I watched the bull run into the timber , they didn't even go look for blood ..... 1hr later I was there to see , thankfully not a drop . That just goes to show if your not going to go check for blood on EVERY shot up that steep Rocky Mountain , don't do it & take up target and steel shooting . All this long rang hunting is nothing more then campfire bragging rights that was started by a tv show unfortunately !

 

[FIGJAM]

If you want to shoot far at BIG game then shoot a mag with a heavy for caliber PREMIUM HUNTING bullet .

If he isn't accurate with the creedmoor I highly doubt he would have shot a big mag better. You are right, he probably should have limited his shots to 200 yards. That has nothing to do with the cartridge and everything to do with the 48" groups he was shooting at 600 yards.

 

[whirlwindjml]

That has nothing to do with the cartridge and everything to do with the 48" groups he was shooting at 600 yards

lol. Amen. Minute of barn door with a lapua.....thatll kill it.

 

[whirlwindjml]

147g 6.5 bullet is way to risky for those u

Yet hundreds of boxes of 150 grain ammo in 7mm Magnum caliber and .308 .300 are sold and then used for elk. Faster bullets that missed dont kill. Ruptured organs and/low blood pressure does. Thats why archers are successful without a KABOOOOM.

The pic is 143 eldx exit wound on elk @ 315 yard. It leg hit bone before lungs and an exit. At 500 they still shatter bone. Ive done enough autopsies to not be scared of 600 with it. I wont go beyond that though. To each his own i guess

 

[laker]

A 375 ultra mag would have had the same results with those **** shots.

 

[MontanaRifleman]

A 375 ultra mag would have had the same results with those ---- shots.

Wrong... It would have penetrated the body, broke the other leg, and generally caused a whole lot more damage

 

[MajorSpittle]

And then you watch a few more videos on their youtube channel and realize they really are as dumb as you think they are...

Maybe you could post a link?

I didn't see anything that led me to think they were dumb. I personally would have had more gun for an elk hunt, but oh well.

I have seen my share a dumb hunters and if you think those guys were dumb then you must have not spent much time hunting. Some of the worse hunters I have ever seen were the Air Force soldiers stationed in Montana, it is easy to get in over your heads in the Rocky Mountains if you are from back east, young, and overly confident. But this is human nature and I am not perfect enough to be as critical as some people are.

 

[MajorSpittle]

Yet hundreds of boxes of 150 grain ammo in 7mm Magnum caliber and .308 .300 are sold and then used for elk. Faster bullets that missed dont kill. Ruptured organs and/low blood pressure does. Thats why archers are successful without a KABOOOOM.

Honestly a 6.5 creedmoor with a 143 eld-x and a 270win with a 145 eld-x at 600 yards are pretty much the same thing. A 150 7mm RM factory cheap ammo (corelok, powerpoint, blue federal crap) would have been worse. A 175gr 7RM would have been better at 600 yards but I bet it wouldn't have been much better; this is with cheap factory ammo of course.

 

[woodsmanlw]

This video had a lot wrong. Did anyone notice that some of the shots were while the elk was on the ridge line? So much for knowing your target and beyond...