rick523
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I think I paid about $225.00 for mine and $50.00 to be installed. Mine came straight from Jewell. You will be plesantly surprised.
How much difference can a trigger make?
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I think I paid about $225.00 for mine and $50.00 to be installed. Mine came straight from Jewell. You will be plesantly surprised.
WildRose
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At 100 yards you won't notice a lot of difference.
At 500 yards you'll notice a really big difference.
At 1,000yds it's all the difference in the world.
Unless I'm working in extreme cold I want no more than 1.5lbs. As soon as I feel good tension depressing my fingertip it breaks like glass once tuned and honed properly.
In extreme cold where I'll have to wear gloves, 2.5-3lbs max is all I want. Just so I can begin to feel it through my glove and "snap".
Cool. I do some hunting in colder weather, but would never probably take a shot with my actual gloves on so that isn't really a huge concern I guess.
Like you were saying, at the longer ranges it makes a huge difference. I don't have much problem right now at shorter ranges, but I can see where if I don't get a better trigger, the longer ranges could become a little bit of a struggle.
Like you were saying, at the longer ranges it makes a huge difference. I don't have much problem right now at shorter ranges, but I can see where if I don't get a better trigger, the longer ranges could become a little bit of a struggle.
Maybe I'm off base on this but my experience is that given a particular trigger, if I can shoot a .25-.5 MOA group, or consistantly hit an equivalently sized target with individual consecutive shots at 100 or 200 hundred yards, I will maintain the accuracy and precision at 1000 yards. The angle is constant and a lighter trigger should technically not influence the specific change in distance. IMHO.
Makes sense..........
Joe King
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on the surface you'd think so, but the farther out you go the more the environment and other factors come into play, which reduces your hit probability. Bryan illustrates this very well in his 2nd book. One thing I think that gets over looked some times is that the concentration needed for a heavy trigger at 100yrds, interferes with paying attention to other influences down range. I believe a light well tuned trigger allows for muscle memory to work much more efficiently, and consequently frees up concentration for other factors, and also helps to reduce mental drain.
Also makes sense............which would explain why one would not notice as many accuracy issues at close range as you would at long range.
By the time I get done upgrading my Sendero I should have just bought a custom or had one built. hahahaha
By the time I get done upgrading my Sendero I should have just bought a custom or had one built. hahahaha
rick523
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I think once you change trigger you will not belive the change my hunting/business partner has the same rifle as yours same caliber, with stock trigger the first time I shot his rifle I swear I stopped to check I thought I left the safety on that is how much difference there was between his and mine, he shoots my rifle and just goes on about how the trigger feels. That said he still has the stock trigger in his go figure.
Don't feel bad about up grading I bought a sps varmit for $400 used I now have $1400.00 in upgrades in a 223.Thats counting the scope though, so I guess it's not that bad.
I expect many blame the trigger as major contributor to loss of accuracy at long range when it is more likely due to wind, more so than any other factor.
A lot of good conversation/info in this thread so far.
I have just started getting into a little bit of the long range stuff. there was a day when 300yds was long range for me but it's getting a lot better. More practice and the right gear has made a huge difference for me. I think the next step is probably gonna have to be a trigger for me. Otherwise, I am pretty impressed with the Sendero for being a factory rifle.
I have just started getting into a little bit of the long range stuff. there was a day when 300yds was long range for me but it's getting a lot better. More practice and the right gear has made a huge difference for me. I think the next step is probably gonna have to be a trigger for me. Otherwise, I am pretty impressed with the Sendero for being a factory rifle.
daniel brothers
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I bought a used CZ 204 last month from a guy on gunbrokers. It has a custom barrel and Basiz trigger on it... which is set at 8 oz. I took it and my two savages, with accutriggers to KS for coyotes. I started out with the savages and shot a few and missed a few... blaming it on the triggers, because of aiming hard at 300 yd dogs that were facing me, while trying to pull through on those triggers. Thought I'd try out the CZ... missed the first dog because I forgot about the hair trigger... touched it before getting onto target.... BUT... after that...... I NEVER MISSED ANOTHER DOG... even 300 yd facing dogs.
It wasn't the rifle, nor the caliber that made a difference in my accuracy... IT WAS THE LIGHT TRIGGER.
Those accutriggers are going in the trash... or ebay. I ended up buying two ShootersSupply.com triggers for these savages .... two to my door for 187.50... can't beat that price... and they adjust to 12 oz to 2lbs.
It wasn't the rifle, nor the caliber that made a difference in my accuracy... IT WAS THE LIGHT TRIGGER.
Those accutriggers are going in the trash... or ebay. I ended up buying two ShootersSupply.com triggers for these savages .... two to my door for 187.50... can't beat that price... and they adjust to 12 oz to 2lbs.
etisll40
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I have a jewel and a few other factory triggers and pull weight is ultra important in my opinion. The benchrest guys go down to 2 oz if it's safe. I think when you want to get really light, safety of trigger design and the metal quality and polishing becomes important. That's just an opinion from a novice though, but what I have gathered thus far. The jewel is so different it's hard to go backwards. Here's a better way to say it, I'm not married so I hope my next wife never reads this!
I may not be able to have a playboy model but I can have a jewel trigger!
I may not be able to have a playboy model but I can have a jewel trigger!
I will be curious to see what kind of difference I will see just because I have never shot a custom trigger of any sort before.
Man, it's going to be a spendy offseason. I have a 13-27" Harris bipod right now, but I think I am gonna have to buy a shorter one in order to make it work well with a rear bag, plus a trigger, and by the time I buy some new mounts for the Leupold 6.5-20 scope I bought a few months back, it will be a spendy offseason. hahahaha If it were easy everybody would be doing it, right?
Man, it's going to be a spendy offseason. I have a 13-27" Harris bipod right now, but I think I am gonna have to buy a shorter one in order to make it work well with a rear bag, plus a trigger, and by the time I buy some new mounts for the Leupold 6.5-20 scope I bought a few months back, it will be a spendy offseason. hahahaha If it were easy everybody would be doing it, right?
SidecarFlip
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How well a trigger performs, creep, pretravel and actuation pull all depends on the operator, the intended use and the weight of the firearm.
A good example is my competiton target pistols. I want no creep, no pretravel and a very light trigger pull because the guns are light weight, so a heavy trigger tends to pull the muzzle up when triggering, no creep and no pretravel because target shooting is an exercise in controlled breathing and when it's time to go bang, there can be no delay. To get that trigger demands careful trigger work, something I do myself.
I certainly don't want a half pound trigger on a hunting rifle whereas a half pound pull is ideal for target shooting with a pistol (single action-semi auto).
Far as an all around good trigger on a production rifle, I have to go with the Savage Accutrigger or a Jewel aftermarket.
JMO.
