I just got number 13 this year most of my kills have been with the 300 win mag. And most were corloks shot two with a Barnes at 80 yards soup for insides, 190vld shot forward of the shoulder at close range bull was moving through trees drt. This year it was 210vlds. I haveha box of 215's imI'going to start trying. I have shot one with a 6.5-284 at 180 yards 140 vld. Did the job through the lungs. Watched a 310" bull die to a 6.5 creedmoor heart shot elk turned and tipped over. A creedmoor of my cousins shot a big bull this year took three shots two in the lungs one in the head. Only elk I have ever lost was a big mature bull I shoot with a 300 RUM 212eld-x going 3036. Sold the rifle afterwards but it was marginal shot angle and I was just trying to dump the bull that was shot by someone else. Almost a straight at me slightly quartering shot trying to bust a shoulder. Heard the shot hit and he just walked off. Tuff animals been apart of 20-30 more all from 270. 30-06 and 7rm. I believe most people are right it's all about shot placement. But you also need to have good bullets and only choose shots that have enough velocity and ft lbs of energy to get the job done if you do make a missed shot.