How many carry a 44 or similar when you are rifle hunting?

[sea2summit]

You are missing the point. Its not all about energy. At some point you need enough to penetrate the skull and reach the brains, but once you have that much, Its about accuracy and penetration, through the skull into the brain. Also, You aren't accounting for a situation where you shoot several times and this ends up on the ground. This dude should have been shooting better bullets, but it still illustrates my point:

10mm GLOCK Stops Horrible Grizzly Bear Attack In New Mexico | Concealed Nation

On morning of July 25, 2018, Bridger Petrini was working out his dogs for the upcoming bear season in New Mexico near the Colorado border. Petrini purchased

concealednation.org

No, I think you're not looking at what I said.

And that article lends more credence to carrying a revolver that won't be as likely to fail due to some bear hair interfering with the action.

 

[sea2summit]

There are several stories like these - its all about penetration and accuracy:

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Alaska Outfitter Defends Fishermen from Raging Grizzly with 9mm Pistol

Two weeks ago, veteran outfitter Phil Shoemaker was guiding two fishing clients in the Alaska bush when the party came face to face with an enraged grizzly. Shoemaker, armed only with a 9mm semi-auto pistol, defended his clients and himself. Here’s his account …

www.americanhunter.org

Buffalo Bore or Underwood hard cast or xtreme pentrator. 9mm - 10mm will get it done. I can keep posting these.

You read the whole part about the bear decided not to play, not that he stopped the attack with a 9mm right?

 

[UplandFreak]

You read the whole part about the bear decided not to play, not that he stopped the attack with a 9mm right?

Funny - he prevented the attack and killed the bear by putting several shots in the vitals. At the end of the day we all carry and shoot what we want.

I carry glocks everyday, shoot 1000's of rounds through them every year. So yeah, I am pretty confident my glock 20 or 29 will get the job done and more confident in my ability to shoot it well in a stressful situation.

Really the goal is to survive, not even kill the bear.

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

Using a pistol to defend against bear attacks seems to be a viable option.

www.ammoland.com

 

[UplandFreak]

No, I think you're not looking at what I said.

And that article lends more credence to carrying a revolver that won't be as likely to fail due to some bear hair interfering with the action.

But somebody with a revolver would have been out of rounds by that point.....you going to reload in that situation? Come on man....

 

[sea2summit]

Funny - he prevented the attack and killed the bear by putting several shots in the vitals. At the end of the day we all carry and shoot what we want.

I carry glocks everyday, shoot 1000's of rounds through them every year. So yeah, I am pretty confident my glock 20 or 29 will get the job done and more confident in my ability to shoot it well in a stressful situation.

Really the goal is to survive, not even kill the bear.

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

Using a pistol to defend against bear attacks seems to be a viable option.

www.ammoland.com

What is the point of all these articles?

I agree that comfort and capability with the weapon is the absolute #1 most important thing in choosing a bear defense gun. I also agree a .22 LR or 9mm has the capability to stop a bear attack. Would I be caught dead around bears with only a 9mm? Not on your life. My biggest issue is people believe 10mm is this amazing bullet for bears when it only caught on because it was almost like a .357 but higher magazine capacity in a gun most people are already familiar with/trained with. That is a long way from being a purpose built big boned animal killing round.

Random list of sub 400 lbs bears that decided to not die after getting shot:

Man injured in hunting accident after bear chased him off a cliff

Three men had been hunting bears with dogs in the Great Smoky National on Saturday when they shot a 375lb bear out of a tree, near Mount Sterling in Hayward County.

www.google.com

Bear dies after attacking hunter in North Carolina woods, wildlife officials say

A black bear died after severely injuring a hunter whose companion had shot it in the North Carolina woods.

abcnews.go.com

Bear bites hunter after being shot near Pagosa Springs

A Pagosa Springs man was injured by a black bear last week after a hunting trip went awry, according to Colorado Parks and Wildlife.

durangoherald.com

 

[sea2summit]

But somebody with a revolver would have been out of rounds by that point.....you going to reload in that situation? Come on man....

Or the bear would have been dead sooner because bad shots with more power are perhaps more effective? The arguments so far is a CNS hit with the 10mm, and now 9mm, are just as effective as a bigger gun. Well, how did that work out for him when he wasn't able to get a CNS hit?

 

[UplandFreak]

What is the point of all these articles?

I agree that comfort and capability with the weapon is the absolute #1 most important thing in choosing a bear defense gun. I also agree a .22 LR or 9mm has the capability to stop a bear attack. Would I be caught dead around bears with only a 9mm? Not on your life. My biggest issue is people believe 10mm is this amazing bullet for bears when it only caught on because it was almost like a .357 but higher magazine capacity in a gun most people are already familiar with/trained with. That is a long way from being a purpose built big boned animal killing round.

Random list of sub 400 lbs bears that decided to not die after getting shot:

Man injured in hunting accident after bear chased him off a cliff

Three men had been hunting bears with dogs in the Great Smoky National on Saturday when they shot a 375lb bear out of a tree, near Mount Sterling in Hayward County.

www.google.com

Bear dies after attacking hunter in North Carolina woods, wildlife officials say

A black bear died after severely injuring a hunter whose companion had shot it in the North Carolina woods.

abcnews.go.com

Bear bites hunter after being shot near Pagosa Springs

A Pagosa Springs man was injured by a black bear last week after a hunting trip went awry, according to Colorado Parks and Wildlife.

durangoherald.com

Your articles are about bear hunting, not bear defense. Two completely different things. My articles are about bear defense. Doesnt have to kill the bear - you just have to live to fight another day. Pick a bullet that penetrates in a cartridge and platform you can shoot accurately.

 

[UplandFreak]

Or the bear would have been dead sooner because bad shots with more power are perhaps more effective? The arguments so far is a CNS hit with the 10mm, and now 9mm, are just as effective as a bigger gun. Well, how did that work out for him when he wasn't able to get a CNS hit?

Read the ammoland article - doesnt have to be a CNS kill shot. Just have to deter it.

 

[IanCo]

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

Using a pistol to defend against bear attacks seems to be a viable option.

www.ammoland.com

Find something that is comfortable to carry and that you can use proficiently, then select the proper ammo for it.

 

[memtb]

I did for a few years, but a loaded daypack, binoculars, camera, rifle, handgun, and high mileage hunts in the mountains.....something had to go! Now, it's either handgun or rifle .....not both! memtb

 

[UplandFreak]

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

Using a pistol to defend against bear attacks seems to be a viable option.

www.ammoland.com

Find something that is comfortable to carry and that you can use proficiently, then select the proper ammo for it.

Thank you!

 

[sea2summit]

Your articles are about bear hunting, not bear defense. Two completely different things. My articles are about bear defense. Doesnt have to kill the bear - you just have to live to fight another day. Pick a bullet that penetrates in a cartridge and platform you can shoot accurately.

You are finding what you search for.

 

[sea2summit]

Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 Incidents

Using a pistol to defend against bear attacks seems to be a viable option.

www.ammoland.com

Find something that is comfortable to carry and that you can use proficiently, then select the proper ammo for it.

I agree, just don't adjust down based on your current proficiency if you are going to a more dangerous environment.

 

[UplandFreak]

You are finding what you search for.

So are you...