How bad is the 7 backcountry?

[southpa]

@JAYgs8163 and @southpa

You fellas seem to be proponents for this new cartridge. Will you be buying one of these new rifles being released soon?

If so, I'm sure many of us here will be interested in your initial findings. I'll be interested how you like it a year or two later as I won't get one until it's very mainstream.

I still don't own a PRC and recently acquired my first 6.5 CMs…and only because I inherited them. So that's where I'm at with new cartridges…

Fire,
I'm not sure proponent is the correct term. It's hard to be a proponent of something thats not been out or in the hands of the public for any amount of time. I am a proponent of companies moving the line forward. Hornady did nothing in the way of that IMO. New renditions of same old stuff. I don't award my proponencies based on that but I'm not opposed to anything for anyone else because it's subjective. I have my own strong opinions based on my experience and if something doesn't move my experience forward I'm not interested. The 7BC is set to move the line forward.

For that, I'm interested. I'm not a fanatic of this stuff by any means so I will deff let those people experiment and lead the way before I would ever consider. There are companies who are getting paid to show us everything we want to know about this new cartridge. I will let them do that before I decide if it's for me. But the numbers they are claiming have my attention.

Never once have I ever looked towards federal for anything ammunition related (except maybe waterfowl), I'd like to think it's good for them and the industry. I mean Federal and Gunwerks...who'da ever thunk? Progress is good, we like progress!

 

[fseaman.js]

I am a proponent of companies moving the line forward.

this.

At first I was very skeptical.

Federal has done a far better job at covering all the FUD parts. Yes, we don't know the reloading program yet. That it can be reloaded has been covered. At the moment, 3 reloads on %100 brass. 4-5 will lose %20. Tells me there will be something to check carefully every time but there is that with brass. We are used to seeing it, usually for me in the neck sizing pass.

Pricing is not bad and within what I had hoped for, Ron and Co. cover it at $3.00 to $3.50. OF course we don't have street pricing.

 

[FireFlyFishing]

No, as I have no need for it at this point. I just don't understand why the negativity and dogging a company for chasing change and advancing the industry. I'm not a test pilot for them and don't want to be. I have a hard enough time keeping and finding time to shoot what I have. I like to think Federal is chasing advancement. I support them and I find it incredibly interesting is all. I'll keep shooting my other 17 customs for now. 308's, 7-08, WSM's, Creeds, PRC's, Lapuas, etc…..

I guess I ask why would you not want to be a "proponent" of them, and of them succeeding?

Edit: I used an example earlier of a Technology company becoming stagnant and not keeping up with change. ie, Intel corporation is getting the arse handed to them because they've sat around and observed and now NVIDIA and AMD are eating their lunch! I could list other numerous examples but I think that sums it up.

Fire,
I'm not sure proponent is the correct term. It's hard to be a proponent of something thats not been out or in the hands of the public for any amount of time. I am a proponent of companies moving the line forward. Hornady did nothing in the way of that IMO. New renditions of same old stuff. I don't award my proponencies based on that but I'm not opposed to anything for anyone else because it's subjective. I have my own strong opinions based on my experience and if something doesn't move my experience forward I'm not interested. The 7BC is set to move the line forward.

For that, I'm interested. I'm not a fanatic of this stuff by any means so I will deff let those people experiment and lead the way before I would ever consider. There are companies who are getting paid to show us everything we want to know about this new cartridge. I will let them do that before I decide if it's for me. But the numbers they are claiming have my attention.

Never once have I ever looked towards federal for anything ammunition related (except maybe waterfowl), I'd like to think it's good for them and the industry. I mean Federal and Gunwerks...who'da ever thunk? Progress is good, we like progress!

No argument here as far as new tech/development. For example. I jumped on the Garmin chronograph early as I knew it was a great solution to all of the short comings of its predecessors and Garmin makes great products. There was very little hype and yet, it really changed that sector of the industry.

The hype this cartridge has created has me feeling a bit skeptical. It feels forced. I had the same feeling in my gut when they told us EVs are the end all be all solution going forward as far as personal transportation.

I am curious about the gun/action manufactures moving toward the high pressure capabilities. Take Seekins' PH3 for instance. There's not really any downside to that rifle other than a weight increase (from my perspective anyway). From the video release I saw, it's a really cool rifle and will sell whether the 7BC sinks or swims. I guess if the steel cartridge fails to take off (again), they can still market how robust their action is. I would say the PH3 (and potentially other rifles) is a great byproduct of the 7BC. So that's cool.

I guess we'll see.

 

[CMP70306]

No argument here as far as new tech/development. For example. I jumped on the Garmin chronograph early as I knew it was a great solution to all of the short comings of its predecessors and Garmin makes great products. There was very little hype and yet, it really changed that sector of the industry.

The hype this cartridge has created has me feeling a bit skeptical. It feels forced. I had the same feeling in my gut when they told us EVs are the end all be all solution going forward as far as personal transportation.

I am curious about the gun/action manufactures moving toward the high pressure capabilities. Take Seekins' PH3 for instance. There's not really any downside to that rifle other than a weight increase (from my perspective anyway). From the video release I saw, it's a really cool rifle and will sell whether the 7BC sinks or swims. I guess if the steel cartridge fails to take off (again), they can still market how robust their action is. I would say the PH3 (and potentially other rifles) is a great byproduct of the 7BC. So that's cool.

I guess we'll see.

If the Federal case doesn't take off the fallback is the Sig Hybrid design, the benefits of brass reloading with the pressure retaining steel case head that's easily adaptable to other cartridges. Just look at the guys that are currently taking the sig cases and necking them up to .308 or down to 6.5 Creedmoor. That could easily be swapped to any of the short or long action .473 case head cartridges just by the manufacturer simply changing the brass part.

So from Seekins perspective higher pressure cartridges are the way forward and they are simply future proofing their rifle line.

 

[southpa]

No argument here as far as new tech/development. For example. I jumped on the Garmin chronograph early as I knew it was a great solution to all of the short comings of its predecessors and Garmin makes great products. There was very little hype and yet, it really changed that sector of the industry.

The hype this cartridge has created has me feeling a bit skeptical. It feels forced. I had the same feeling in my gut when they told us EVs are the end all be all solution going forward as far as personal transportation.

I am curious about the gun/action manufactures moving toward the high pressure capabilities. Take Seekins' PH3 for instance. There's not really any downside to that rifle other than a weight increase (from my perspective anyway). From the video release I saw, it's a really cool rifle and will sell whether the 7BC sinks or swims. I guess if the steel cartridge fails to take off (again), they can still market how robust their action is. I would say the PH3 (and potentially other rifles) is a great byproduct of the 7BC. So that's cool.

I guess we'll see.

The cool thing is nothing is forced. You can choose for yourself. I think the gun manufacturers who are endorsing it see the potential in sales. That however, is a non-point to me. I don't buy complete rifles from manufacturers. Sales proves nothing but marketting to me. Performance drives my motivation so nothing that is just marketting fluff will force its way into my safe. Obviously marketting is catching my eye but it has no representation in this camp.
Garmin has no pull to me either. They do nothing more than what I already own. Convenience alone isn't worth my attention.

 

[JAYgs8163]

No argument here as far as new tech/development. For example. I jumped on the Garmin chronograph early as I knew it was a great solution to all of the short comings of its predecessors and Garmin makes great products. There was very little hype and yet, it really changed that sector of the industry.

The hype this cartridge has created has me feeling a bit skeptical. It feels forced. I had the same feeling in my gut when they told us EVs are the end all be all solution going forward as far as personal transportation.

I am curious about the gun/action manufactures moving toward the high pressure capabilities. Take Seekins' PH3 for instance. There's not really any downside to that rifle other than a weight increase (from my perspective anyway). From the video release I saw, it's a really cool rifle and will sell whether the 7BC sinks or swims. I guess if the steel cartridge fails to take off (again), they can still market how robust their action is. I would say the PH3 (and potentially other rifles) is a great byproduct of the 7BC. So that's cool.

I guess we'll see.

I've not really seen any "weight increase". Weatherby had their 7BC model listed at 6.1 lbs.

 

[fseaman.js]

I've not really seen any "weight increase". Weatherby had their 7BC model listed at 6.1 lbs.

That means it's on the 6 lug.

If I want a 7BC at some point, barrel change. Maybe some mag adjustments.

 

[liber]

I still don't own a PRC and recently acquired my first 6.5 CMs…and only because I inherited them. So that's where I'm at with new cartridges…

But the 6.5 PRC is really only a 6.5 Creedmoor with 200 fps more, on average. I have 6.5 Creedmoor and like it, but in some instances I want that extra weight of the 308, although the CM is more pleasurable and possibly a tad more accurate to shoot for me. Does it matter? I don't think it does as the 308 is a fine hunting cartridge.

That means it's on the 6 lug.

If I want a 7BC at some point, barrel change. Maybe some mag adjustments.

This is true, but I don't think you're willing to take the chance on 7BC just yet, are you?

Weatherby, like everyone else is willing to say, "I'll chamber it for you if you want it", but look for brass on their website! They do sell 7 PRC brass, and 6.5 PRC brass, so they're opening up to non-Weatherby cartridges. I have always liked and still like Weatherby, it's an interesting transition for Roy's grandson, my hat is off to him. I had never been to Roy's house in South Gate, but he used to hang out at a gunshop that was next to my family's business next door. Roy was legendary, because he had a range under his home so it was told. I have never been there. Adam was able to first, get it up north, but finally move the business to Wyoming once and for all. Here I am, still stuck in this $#!T#O!E of a state, but...it's my home...Roy's cartridges were never main stay, other than ones that because popular enough.

I would just like to see some components for 7BC...brass, dies, reamers...if these people are claiming to build them, they must have reamers, right? I have not seen a single reamer for 7BC for sale! I see no dies from anyone. Redding has 7STW, but no 7BC that I can find.

So yeah, in "theory" you can do a barrel change, but we're not at that point yet. The other thing is the buzz is gonna die soon without people getting the rifles, so someone must have reamers if rifles were chambered in it. Maybe Federal supplied the reamers to these guys also?