Hey guys thanks for the info, we hunt out of elevated houses in the early AM and late PM so low light is my main priority, I have actually missed being able to shoot a nice buck due to not being able to identify until he was out of range. Scott just for that offer you have got in my good graces, when I get ready to really start looking I will probably take you up on that offer. I have no vortex dealer around here. I have been reading on exit pupil diameter and the 10x50's are sounding better, even the 8.5x42's sound pretty good, longest distance I need is 1000 yards and that is the way max 600 is more realistic. I hunt mostly open country CRP fields. Thanks guys.