Help on caliber

[Ingwe]

Dude...a 270 is a better option over a 30-06. I'm obviously exaggeration on my point with the 204,223 but a 30-06 is Grandpas cartridge. It's long in the tooth and have seen many elk walk from it. It's kills, but so does a 204

A 270 over a 30'06 for Elk? Why do you think so?

 

[Skimbleshanks]

Dude...a 270 is a better option over a 30-06. I'm obviously exaggeration on my point with the 204,223 but a 30-06 is Grandpas cartridge. It's long in the tooth and have seen many elk walk from it. It's kills, but so does a 204

A 270 is long as hell in the tooth as well. And it doesn't have the ability to shoot 180-200 grain bullets. Placement matters most but scaling the cartridge and bullet selection to elk sized game matters as well. 270 has gotten it done for sure but im not sure its a better choice for elk. People rave about the 280 and 280ai but somehow the 30-06 is inadequate because of its age?

 

[Ingwe]

A 270 is long as hell in the tooth as well. And it doesn't have the ability to shoot 180-200 grain bullets. Placement matters most but scaling the cartridge and bullet selection to elk sized game matters as well. 270 has gotten it done for sure but im not sure its a better choice for elk. People rave about the 280 and 280ai but somehow the 30-06 is inadequate because of its age?

+1!

 

[Tlr155]

Well a ballistic chart can easily show you how dumb some opinions are. That's like telling someone to go hunt with a .223 or .204 ruger, I bet you'll kill an elk with one. Doesnt mean its good advice... and then acting like ballistics don't matter because in the end, it killed the elk. This is a Long Range Hunting forum, not some backroad 300 yard chipper. All the 30-06 + .308 lovers for LRH are funny

So your saying the 308 isn't long range capable?
Guess I'll have to tell that to brother whom has taken several elk and a few deer at 800-850 using his measly little 308 cap gun
I and while I'm at it maybe I'd better tell the, 25 plus elk I've killed @650 & 980 yrds with my measley 7mm rem mag which has done its job on everything from yotes to moose for 3 decades that I didn't use my 340 weatherby mag to kill them as in 3 decades 36 states hundreds of big game animals & varmints I NEVER WOULD have guessed my 7mag wasn't enough gun, even though I've never ever needed more then 1 shot from the muzzle out to 900+ yrds but with some guys big guns in one place make up for small pee shooters in other areas

 

[Tlr155]

Dude...a 270 is a better option over a 30-06. I'm obviously exaggeration on my point with the 204,223 but a 30-06 is Grandpas cartridge. It's long in the tooth and have seen many elk walk from it. It's kills, but so does a 204

In my 40+ yrs of chasing big game I've seen a few elk and a couple moose go 250 + yrds, after taking a center punch from a, 340 weatherby mag, like I said earlier the biggest badest flatest shooting rifle made, wont kill a **** thing any farther or faster then a 22LR if you can't shoot it Accurately and put the bullet in the vitals

 

[Chuckhunter]

Man you guys rock!! I am so glad to be up and happy and back with you guys! It's been a long road but worth every minuet. Lol now there are so many choices on this thread!! My background before my divorce I have set up numerous 300 wins for long range work. And most recently had a 7stw . I know the old cliche I need a rifle that will kill anything small white tails to moose close and far . But lol if I'm being honest that's what I need. Of the choices here and on my own thinking here is the list I've come up with
1. 300 win
2. 7mm
3. 7stw
4. 280 AI
5. 30-06 AI
6. 338 win
7. 375 Ruger
8. 300 Rum
9. 300 prc
10.300 weatherby
So let's talk these . Thank you so much
Darrin

The one you have at #1 really does fill the bill whether it's in a WSM or the old standby 300 WM. I have had both and performance wise they are virtually the same. Choice will be determined by your preference of action length. #30 Cals are a Handloaders dream and factory ammo is abundant for non loaders. Buuy or build a #1 and get practicing.

 

[Orange Dust]

The Velocity is not at all optimistic. 197s are running 3150 no pressure signs whatsoever. Not me, many other guys. Also, running a 4 coal with what, 230s-250s? Your talking Lapua Recoil and even then the 300rum Doesn't have a noticeable advantage. The bottom line is the 300rum isn't what it's all cracked up to be against the 28. Shoot the 28 smokes a 300 WM and asks for seconds. If you want to considerably stack against the 28, you have to go Lapua sized rifles. That's my point. For the amount of recoil and knockdown at distance...it's in a league of it's own.

Dude, not knocking the 28, I built one this year. A long loaded RUM will shoot a 230 faster than a 28 will a 195. Energy is similar at LR along with drop. The rum makes a bigger hole and will penetrate more. Higher sectional density. It is a bigger hammer. Not much bigger, but bigger. .338 is more of the same thing, and on it goes. Sorry to put this out there but it also applies to the guys with all the magic 6.5's, they ain't a 7MM and sure aren't a 300 no matter what you have been told.

 

[Azdbllung]

A 270 over a 30'06 for Elk? Why do you think so?

Well, a couple reasons. If you take a quick sample of standard Hornady Precision Hunter (to make it easy) a 178gn 30-06 vs 145gn 270, 33 gns difference. The 270 trails the 30-06 by around 100 ft lbs until about 300 yards. There is no real measurable difference in Engergy around the 200+ range. The 270 shoots flatter, less recoil, cheaper etc. All while being 33 gns less. As most ballisticians know, its not about the size of bullet. Its about what happens to the bullet when it hits flesh. Ex, a 270 @ 500yds @ 2150fps will expand/react drastically different than a 30-06 at the same distance. a larger cavity will be created due to expansion (of course bullet type needs to be considered but in this sample, they are the same type) A 30 cal @ 30-06 speeds @ 500 doesnt have the velocity to expand like a 270 does, its too dense. Hense the 300WM. BUT you get way more recoil.

 

[Azdbllung]

Dude, not knocking the 28, I built one this year. A long loaded RUM will shoot a 230 faster than a 28 will a 195. Energy is similar at LR along with drop. The rum makes a bigger hole and will penetrate more. Higher sectional density. It is a bigger hammer. Not much bigger, but bigger. .338 is more of the same thing, and on it goes. Sorry to put this out there but it also applies to the guys with all the magic 6.5's, they ain't a 7MM and sure aren't a 300 no matter what you have been told.

Well what do you mean by Long Loaded? Virtually unusable since it wont fit into a magazine? a Single shot feeding gun? If so, there is no argument as it just took itself out of the race. Also, even if it has higher Muzzle speed, it loses its speed exponentially faster than a .284 making it die out quicker and the .284 will catch it and beat it at LR. The size of the bullet punching a larger hole isnt really relevant. I will put $1000 that a 195 .284 out of a 28 will create a larger wound cavity than a 215-230 will using the same type berger bullet. The fact that the 230 is a .308 is its own hindrance in expansion. A 195 EOL burger straight-up removes limbs at the velocities we are talking about.

 

[Orange Dust]

Well what do you mean by Long Loaded? Virtually unusable since it wont fit into a magazine? a Single shot feeding gun? If so, there is no argument as it just took itself out of the race. Also, even if it has higher Muzzle speed, it loses its speed exponentially faster than a .284 making it die out quicker and the .284 will catch it and beat it at LR. The size of the bullet punching a larger hole isnt really relevant. I will put $1000 that a 195 .284 out of a 28 will create a larger wound cavity than a 215-230 will using the same type berger bullet. The fact that the 230 is a .308 is its own hindrance in expansion. A 195 EOL burger straight-up removes limbs at the velocities we are talking about.

No, we use Wyatts magazines, the larger bullet has a BC of .800 and a sectional density of nearly .350. You have a lot to learn about all this.

 

[L.Sherm]

Splitting hairs here, build what floats your boat.

 

[Azdbllung]

No, we use Wyatts magazines, the larger bullet has a BC of .800 and a sectional density of nearly .350. You have a lot to learn about all this.

lol Wyatts allows 3.790 on a 300 RUM w/out mods, so im interested on how you think youll get those so-called 4 inch rounds in that gun your all talking about without major modsw.. what do I know, I have so much to learn right? You all know im right but like to throw outrageous hypotheticals out because you have so much $$ sunk into a 300 RUM thinking its the cats meow, when its not. Were not talking about some Franken-gun. A rifle you can buy from the store and shoot.

 

[L.Sherm]

Wyatts has a 4" box

 

[Azdbllung]

No, we use Wyatts magazines, the larger bullet has a BC of .800 and a sectional density of nearly .350. You have a lot to learn about all this.

Also, berger doesnt make a .800... soo there's that.