Help- my gun won’t group

[HunterMann]

What is the twist rate of the barrel and what bullets are you using?

 

[Lenny Foffa]

I had a New Model 70 Super Grade that would not group at all. The rifle came new from the factory (1975-1980) with a lot of soft clay like putty packed under the receiver aera. Sloppy and terrible. I sent it out to Texas for a pilar bedding and trigger job,. When it came back it shot much better but the bolt is no longer smooth and silky like it was.!!! Still a very handsome rifle, but Disappointed I had to trade one issue for another.

 

[6x6 elk]

Sounds like a scope issue to me. Try taking a scope off a rifle that you know is shooting well, and put it on your rifle. I had a Leopold VX lll, and a Zeiss conquest that both went belly up on me that we were causing all kinds of head scratching

 

[akdad]

I'll try to be brief but I'll have to lay some back story. I love to build my own stuff. Problem 1 I understood. I bought a Remington 700 action. Had it trued. It was way off. Then the bolt wouldn't close. I had to have the bolt moved and tig welded on. Then I bought a custom McMillan stock. Game warden. Trigger tech trigger. Amazing. And I choose a remage barrel by carbon six. Chamber in 7mm rem mag. It's a sweet looking gun. I put a nightforce one it. It's a good scope.
I can't get it to group. I've tried all different powders and bullet weights. This has been going on 4 years now of trying to get the gun to shoot. I even got a new barrel from carbon six. Still doesn't shoot. Any thought or suggestions would be very appreciated. I have torqued everything to correct specs / inch pounds. There is a lot more to this story. this is the basics of it.
26" barrel.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

No brilliant advice but I do know how frustrating that is! In my case a new barrel fixed it so I can't imagine how much more frustrating this is

 

[7Rum Slayer]

A very common but easy to overlook accuracy issue with the Rem 700 is having the very front base screw a tad long and making contact with the barrel tenon threads. This happened to me years ago and I was all but ready to give up on the rifle. The only real way to test this is to pop off the scope and pull the base screws and put the front screw in and tighten, if the bases moves at all when just tight you have contact and need a shorter screw. This is quite common and is worth trying. Best of luck and I hope you get this rifle shooting better. Cheers, Jason

 

[HunterMann]

I noticed that you replaced the Carbon 6 barrel with another Carbon 6 barrel. Was that a warrantee replacement? If so, I would try another barrel maker if you can afford to experiment further. I presume head spacing, bullet lead or jump to the rifling have all been examined in detail.

 

[Window]

A very common but easy to overlook accuracy issue with the Rem 700 is having the very front base screw a tad long and making contact with the barrel tenon threads. This happened to me years ago and I was all but ready to give up on the rifle. The only real way to test this is to pop off the scope and pull the base screws and put the front screw in and tighten, if the bases moves at all when just tight you have contact and need a shorter screw. This is quite common and is worth trying. Best of luck and I hope you get this rifle shooting better. Cheers, Jason

It's simple to shorten the screws if needed. Use any grinding wheel and take what's needed. I only own one Remington and had to do it on both front and rear because the bolt wouldn't close. It's a wood stock 700 7mm mag. Needless to say, it's pillar bedded now and luckily it's a shooter.

 

[Idaho Lefty]

I noticed that you replaced the Carbon 6 barrel with another Carbon 6 barrel. Was that a warrantee replacement? If so, I would try another barrel maker if you can afford to experiment further. I presume head spacing, bullet lead or jump to the rifling have all been examined in detail.

Two Carbon 6 Barrels,.. WHY ?? Possible Steel Warping aka, Stress problems, Wrong Twist or, "Throating" ???
My son screwed, a 24" Proof 7 PRC Barrel on his Tikka T-3X opened Barrel channel and is getting groups down into, the 4's with, Factory 175 gr ELD-X's.
Check Everything suggested, in the above Posts and, IF, no Fix um', SCRAP the Barrel for, a SS Criterion, RemAge, Sporter, bbl.,..
JUST make sure that, the Threads are, cut to Fit, YOUR Action, a Criterion Barrel IS, a CHEAP, "Fix",.. if it's, a Barrel Problem.
Two Inch groups,. ARE,.. UN-acceptable,.. IMO

 

[Handymike]

I'll try to be brief but I'll have to lay some back story. I love to build my own stuff. Problem 1 I understood. I bought a Remington 700 action. Had it trued. It was way off. Then the bolt wouldn't close. I had to have the bolt moved and tig welded on. Then I bought a custom McMillan stock. Game warden. Trigger tech trigger. Amazing. And I choose a remage barrel by carbon six. Chamber in 7mm rem mag. It's a sweet looking gun. I put a nightforce one it. It's a good scope.
I can't get it to group. I've tried all different powders and bullet weights. This has been going on 4 years now of trying to get the gun to shoot. I even got a new barrel from carbon six. Still doesn't shoot. Any thought or suggestions would be very appreciated. I have torqued everything to correct specs / inch pounds. There is a lot more to this story. this is the basics of it.
26" barrel.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. View attachment 499096View attachment 499097

Try letting another friend or experienced shooter shoot several groups. Possible operator error
Mike

 

[Rosebud]

If you're loading your own ammo try to have the bullet just touching the lands, then start backing away until you see improvement. If none of that works. Well, you're looking at a bad action or barrel or scope. Every one else has said to check all the other things.

 

[Rflshootr]

Clean it. Put a different scope on it. When you take the old one off, pull the front base screw to make sure it isn't touching the barrel threads. If it is, grind 1 thread off then re-install. Then, check all the screws for tightness and install the new scope.

 

[Coldfinger]

You have high quality components so I understand the confusion. If it were me, I don't know if I'd have your same amount of patience--so kudos to you!

You could take a peak at the bedding and ensure that the action is properly set into the stock. Remove the stock from the action and re-torque action screws in a progressive manner; torque action screws in 10 ft-lbs increments and "set" the rifle in each increment by slightly "tapping" the entire rifle against the recoil pad against a hard surface. This ensures a proper recoil lug alignment and should allow the rifle return to the same position after each shot. Repeat until action screws are torqued to spec.

It sounds like you've already ran through ring and bases torques but I'd double check that again just to be certain. You could even hand-lap your rings to ensure proper fitment. If you wanted to throw extra money you could look to upgrade rings to a precision based ring; i've had good luck with rings made by Seekins.

Obviously Nightforce makes quality scopes but you could try swapping out the optic. Or even put your Nightforce on on a rifle that's known to be accurate. That way you can absolutely rule-out the scope as the culprit.

Lastly, it sounds like the weak-point in your build may be the action itself considering the amount of work that has been done to it so far. If you can't find a solution it may be worth it to take the plunge by purchasing a brand-new action. That way you can salvage the other parts of your build (and your sanity!).

Hopefully this gives some additional insights but there's a good chance you've already done all of this. If so, then hopefully someone else can chime in to provide some additional help

I'll try to be brief but I'll have to lay some back story. I love to build my own stuff. Problem 1 I understood. I bought a Remington 700 action. Had it trued. It was way off. Then the bolt wouldn't close. I had to have the bolt moved and tig welded on. Then I bought a custom McMillan stock. Game warden. Trigger tech trigger. Amazing. And I choose a remage barrel by carbon six. Chamber in 7mm rem mag. It's a sweet looking gun. I put a nightforce one it. It's a good scope.
I can't get it to group. I've tried all different powders and bullet weights. This has been going on 4 years now of trying to get the gun to shoot. I even got a new barrel from carbon six. Still doesn't shoot. Any thought or suggestions would be very appreciated. I have torqued everything to correct specs / inch pounds. There is a lot more to this story. this is the basics of it.
26" barrel.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. View attachment 499096View attachment 499097

Have you checked parallax in that their scope? I was just shooting my SML at the local range when a guy asked me to look at his rifle as it wasn't shooting good at 500 yards. I took it and looked at 100,300,500 and finally 600 and told him he's doing **** good as his scope had at least 3 feet or parallax to deal with at those ranges. It was repeatable consistently terrible. I told him to call Nightforce before wasting any more powder! I'd say what caliber but don't want anyone know I finally shot a 6.5 man bun!

 

[waspocrew]

Do you know if the receiver threads were opened at all when your action was trued? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that remage prefits would no longer work with a 700 that had been trued (with action threads opened up).

 

[victor3ranger]

sounds like a pressure point somewhere possibly causing bad vibes.
Are all the screws top and bottom the correct length? In the correct hole, so extra length isn't binding against a "bottom"?
is the entire trigger mechanism clear of unwanted contact with the stock?
is the recoil lug clearance adequate on the bottom?
is the recoil lug aligned perfectly?
is the magazine in a bind? Making contact where it shouldn't?
does the trigger guard lie flat in the inlet?
is the stock molded correctly for your components? I've seen mistakes made by big name companies here.
hopefully the action is secure.

These are some things I've heard about, read about or unfortunately experienced.
hope you can find a simple fix somewhere and soon.
and definitely try another optic. I'm a NF fan but….rule it out.
let us know if you find a solution.

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