GUN WEIGHT

[southpa]

Well I guess if you actually read what I wrote. Iate you the very small part of hunters that actually hunt like that. That that might make a difference to or are you the vast majority that thinks he hunts like that but really doesn't. If you had a little thicker skin and weren't so defensive. You would understand what I wad saying.

If you read what I said you'd understand it's wasn't directed at you per say because I literally stated that. Talk about thin skinned. I promise I could care less about what a stranger thinks of my trail weights but it's obvious who thinks they know what's best for everyone based on their opinions of what ounces mean.

Again, not aimed specifically at you specifically. Just in general.

 

[waveslayer]

Ok well explain away how adding more surface area would not help. Surface area cools. It's pure science. Also has been proven in brake rotors. Now if you told me they say it has very little effect and no real world id say sure. But if you are increasing surface area it will increase cooling.

Bryan Litz did extensive testing. And documented that fluting adding the surface area caused the barrels to take longer to cool. Brakes, with major airflow and holes to relieve rotors, etc, not even in the same league. Don't need to take my word for it, take it up with Litz. He also concluded that POI shifts from heat were less than steel barrels, that's the benefit of Carbon, not weight

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[southpa]

Bryan Litz did extensive testing. And documented that fluting adding the surface area caused the barrels to take longer to cool. Brakes, with major airflow and holes to relieve rotors, etc, not even in the same league. Don't need to take my word for it, take it up with Litz. He also concluded that POI shifts from heat were less than steel barrels, that's the benefit of Carbon, not weight

Barrel Field Test Featured In Modern Advancements Volume 2

Lots of people have asked what I’ve been working on, and I’m excited to finally be able to tell you...

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Along with weight savings...

 

[snox801]

Bryan Litz did extensive testing. And documented that fluting adding the surface area caused the barrels to take longer to cool. Brakes, with major airflow and holes to relieve rotors, etc, not even in the same league. Don't need to take my word for it, take it up with Litz. He also concluded that POI shifts from heat were less than steel barrels, that's the benefit of Carbon, not weight

Barrel Field Test Featured In Modern Advancements Volume 2

Lots of people have asked what I’ve been working on, and I’m excited to finally be able to tell you...

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Again the science is proven that increasing surface area does indeed transfer more heat. Which transfers it to the air around it.

Brian is an expert at his job. But he is not an expert at thermal dynamics. So taking his word for that subject is like listing to Taylor swift when it comes politics. Not to say his testing was not good enough. But maybe his data collection was not good enough or to many variables.

Fluting helps in two ways that science is proven on. Increase surface area and that increases cooling. If that were not true the whole concept of heat syncs would be false for every other application. Or somehow rifle barrel steel breaks all stats we have on that field. It also reduces weight. Reducing weight also means that the object will cool faster after the weight was removed everything else being equal. Big objects take longer to heat and cool than smaller ones made of the same material.
carbon barrels are lighter for thickness and thus have much less poi shifts. I run them on my rigs. Doesn't change the fact that what I said was not true.
Now does that mean it makes any bit of difference for what we are able to measure? Probably not with the data Brian collected.

 

[Philward]

OK, so when will we see the radial finned barrels?

 

[Mtn Dawg]

Bryan Litz did extensive testing. And documented that fluting adding the surface area caused the barrels to take longer to cool. Brakes, with major airflow and holes to relieve rotors, etc, not even in the same league. Don't need to take my word for it, take it up with Litz. He also concluded that POI shifts from heat were less than steel barrels, that's the benefit of Carbon, not weight

Barrel Field Test Featured In Modern Advancements Volume 2

Lots of people have asked what I’ve been working on, and I’m excited to finally be able to tell you...

precisionrifleblog.com

I see the results are published in two book volumes. Have you read them or are you just citing summaries from others?

Edit: I ask because this subject gets beaten to death on virtually every platform. In my estimation the "science" reveals one conclusion or another, but neither has a functional real world effect on the average hunter's ability to deliver on accurate kills. That's what we are actually talking about here. What it does support is for every hunter to test his own set up and decide how he will work with whatever idiosyncrasies it represents.

 

[snox801]

I see the results are published in two book volumes. Have you read them or are you just citing summaries from others?

I'm just taking the summary of what he said. For me I would love to read them. But it would be the only time ever that adding surface area and removing weight of an object would increase the time to cool. I am taking waveslayer at his word. He may have read them and that was the conclusion, but not sure how they measured or how that would defy all other studies. As far as brakes on cars it's the same science. Airflow may effect the cooling but doesn't means it's different. That metal has zero idea if it has flutes for brakes or for barrels. Add that on top of removing mass causing it to take longer to cool is simply impossible.