floating and non floating neck turning tool/lathe

[milboltnut]

No I mean other shell holders on a Hornady neck turner

 

[338 dude]

No I mean other shell holders on a Hornady neck turner

Yes I did not buy their shell holders at first and found out the hard way

 

[milboltnut]

bummer

 

[338 dude]

bummer

I had a new tool that was killing me not to use for another week

 

[Justice1327]

Hey guys

what's your experience with, I guess the only floating neck turning lathe by 21st century. I'd rather have a neck turner on a lathe set up or what ever you want to call it, Hornady, Forster, for the affordable ones to start. Is the 21st that much better than say the Hornady ?

I'm intrigued by the 21st's with the neck turner floating and the case holder too. Will any of the fixed ones work just as well as the floating ones? I use a Forster hand held in my vice with their black plastic handle and one I made with a Lee case holder. The best I can get is .0005 to .001. I see 21st cutter graduations are .0005. I was thinking just getting the neck turning tool by itself and pilots. 21st wants 140 bucks for the cutter tool/cutter and two pilots. Hornady wants $150 with 4 pilots. 21st has the cutter that takes a bit of the shoulder off unlike others.... Hornady doesn't. Hornadys adjustment is .0005 like the 21st's.

I use the K&M, with their hand holder and cutters with the appropriate angle for the cartridge And a non- impact drill. I use a mandrel first, then make at least two passes on the neck. I maintain.0005 on my mics. Using a hand held model allows the brass to float and center itself...provided you dont have a limp wrist

 

[PddPdd]

I use the 21st Century with no issues and fairly fast to go through 50-100 pieces and turn them consistently. Cutters to match the shoulder angles of the calibers you reload. Easy to tell when to stop the cut and set the stop for the rest of your brass.
After researching neck turning it seemed the preferred solution and I've never had any issues. I haven't tried the other brands.

 

[Roninco]

I tried the Sinclair hand turning system and didn't care for it. There was too much twisting of the wrist which was not comfortable and using a drill adapter did not give adequate control. Overall, I did not like the effort versus results equation. Perhaps a PMA or K&M setup would have been better?
I now use a 21st Century powered lathe turner for five cartridges, two of which use the same cutter angle. Adjustments are easy and results are consistent. At first it was disconcerting to see the self-centering feature wobbling on each end but the neck thickness remains consistent. I turn slightly onto the shoulder with the appropriate cutters. I find this method quick and effortless.

 

[Philward]

I converted a RCBS case trimmer into a neck turner with parts from them. I use a Wilson case trimmer for trimming and the RCBS was sitting there unused. Works fine for me.

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[JGRJR]

I use KM with their holder for a power screwdriver. This setup deals with "the donut" with the right mandrel, and is easy to use. I do not think a lathe based setup is the way to go when you see how easy the KM does the job. The KM is a floating system that controls everything where it has to.

 

[Beluebow]

I have used/own 21st Century powered lathe, IDOD, 21st Century hand tools and PMA.

Turned 500 necks last week, with 21st Century turning tools by hand.

 

[milboltnut]

Thank you all for your input...

Think I'm going with Hornady. I came to the conclusion that any other turner is for BR Comps etc... and shorter cartridges with VLD bullets that seat below neck/shoulder junctions and flowing brass at that point needs to be removed. IF I ever get that kind of cartridge, which I seriously doubt then a more precise neck turning is needed. .0005 with the Hornady unit seems to be enough, and to be honest, right now I have case necks off .0005 after turning. I saw a RW Hart with .0001 graduations. I'm sure that the others do that as well, but I don't think I need that considering I don't shoot at extended range for competitions.

 

[milboltnut]

just had a interesting conversation with Hart barrels about shoulder cutting. They say it's better for HS. And they don't recommend bumping back shoulders.

 

[WYOHTF]

just had a interesting conversation with Hart barrels about shoulder cutting. They say it's better for HS. And they don't recommend bumping back shoulders.

He knows his stuff and their prices are real fair
I talked with his wife a bit about pre fits, she is quite knowledgeable

 

[milboltnut]

the only thing is why does he sell an expander for a Redding decapping rod ? I don't use expander rods anymore, just the FL die w/o the expander rod/expander, neck expander mandrels 21st/Sinclair, and chamber seaters. I don't even like Forster elevated expander FL dies. Forster makes it sound great, but the brass doesn't indicate well.