Donor action or custom

[Bishop]

overcompensation. Excellent call Dr. Freud.

No i spelled comprehension, as in this little conversation is over comprehension failure. Or possibly lack of clarity on my part. If your poking fun at your intentional freudian slip then touche. Thats actually pretty good. We laugh alot at how easy it is to not quite get the actual gist of what someone is saying on the forums. If that was you inserting a little humor into the exchange well done it actually elicited a heartfelt chuckle.

If you misread and thought i was somehow saying you were overcompensating for something then, and had my own freudian slip..... i actually wrote comprehension. The difficulty in actually determining someone's tone via online text probably starts alot of flame wars.

No worries all good.

 

[MudRunner2005]

No i spelled comprehension, as in this little conversation is over comprehension failure. Or possibly lack of clarity on my part. If your poking fun at your intentional freudian slip then touche. Thats actually pretty good. We laugh alot at how easy it is to not quite get the actual gist of what someone is saying on the forums. If that was you inserting a little humor into the exchange well done it actually elicited a heartfelt chuckle.

If you misread and thought i was somehow saying you were overcompensating for something then, and had my own freudian slip..... i actually wrote comprehension. The difficulty in actually determining someone's tone via online text probably starts alot of flame wars.

No worries all good.

Yes, I have actually been enjoying this debate. I hold no hard feelings, and hope we can part ways as friends and agreeing to disagree. And I was poking at how comprehension through text is near impossible, and quite often misconstrued. I also forgot that I recently deleted a quote in my signature that would have made my attempt at humor more clear. It said, "Ignore everything I say, because I have a reading comprehension problem..." So, i'm glad you got the joke. I have a pretty dry sense of humor, and sometimes folks don't pick that up. Sometimes my posts can come off as confrontational, when that is not how I intended them. Looking back, I can see where my wording might could have been interpreted as sarcastic and snarky. That was not my intention. Which is why i posted about a miscommunication in my second post.

 

[Canadian Bushman]

I have rifles built on stillers, defiance actions, and one built on a rem 700 La. I wont ever build on a remington action again. It could just be my bad experience and not normal but i have extraction problems with the factory rem extractor, had to have it timed, had to pay to have an aftermarket bolt knob installed, had to pay to have it trued and it has a bottom bolt release, and i had to add a rail to it.

After all that expenditure it still is just a rem 700 action, it shoots well but i would very much prefer to have a custom action. If i ever need to sell the rifle, it appears that it is much more difficult to sell a trued up rem 700 built rife vs one built on a custom as well, judging by the classified forums.

The custom actions just "feel" better to me. Have a better extraction setup, timing, extraction, plus if you ever re-barrel your pretty much giving your gunsmith a known quality item to work with.
I personally will never build on a trued remington again. But would happily barrel my own savage action with a barrel nut, it personally seems to be worth the savings to me. Just my opinion.

+1

Im not a huge fan of savage actions, but I would consider an older model 70, tikka, or sako, but id be hard pressed to build any precision long range rifle off anything but a custom. I would have to get a really good deal on the factory action to sway me.

 

[FEENIX]

but id be hard pressed to build any precision long range rifle off anything but a custom.

lightbulbThat's exactly the route I took on my latest project build.lightbulb

Each=Custom. Both=Savage lol.

It don't get no simpler than this.

 

[PEEWEE69]

Thanks for all the information guys leaning toward the defiance deviant in 2nd is the Curtis action

 

[PEEWEE69]

Ok since I'm leaning towards a custom action I've been looking at different one's some have the lug and rail machined in others don't . Is there benefits to the lug and rail machined in opposed to separate lug and rail?

 

[bigngreen]

With integral lug and rail you have no possibility of things coming loose or being weak you also have more weight because it's the same material as the action, you are stuck at that height and taper that it's machined at. Really depends on you build goals as a whole. An integral recoil lug is always good IMO but I do like to save some weight and have more mounting flexibility of a normal top not machined in.

 

[toddc]

+1

Im not a huge fan of savage actions, but I would consider an older model 70, tikka, or sako, but id be hard pressed to build any precision long range rifle off anything but a custom. I would have to get a really good deal on the factory action to sway me.

+2 this is why I build Savage. CHEAP. Otherwise go custom. A Savage with a REAL barrel will run under $1k. A Remmy with a REAL barrel can't be built by ANYONE under $1k unless you are getting free parts OR machine work. I would 100% go CUSTOM but I like to build and sell. Lets me play AND make a lil dough.

 

[MudRunner2005]

+2 this is why I build Savage. CHEAP. Otherwise go custom. A Savage with a REAL barrel will run under $1k. A Remmy with a REAL barrel can't be built by ANYONE under $1k unless you are getting free parts OR machine work. I would 100% go CUSTOM but I like to build and sell. Lets me play AND make a lil dough.

I built a lot of mine for less than $1000 each... And I paid for smith work, and definitely was not given any free parts. I do shop-around for the best prices, which helps, and sometimes I do some horse-trading for parts, but the initial money came from somewhere. Wish I did get free stuff. But a wise man once said "Wish in one hand, crap in the other...See which fills up first."

$350 ADL donor
$75-$100 factory bottom metal (eBay)
$100-$150 for a factory heavy barrel
$25 for a factory Rem/Walker trigger
$75-$200 for a factory stock
$250 for smith work including barrel work & hand-lapping the bore

Total = Low: $875 / High: $1,075

Or, if you didn't replace anything, like you're talking about on a Savage, and just had it rebarreled with an aftermarket barrel and didn't mess with anything else...

$350 ADL donor
$320 barrel blank
$250 smith work

Total: $920

 

[bigngreen]

+2 this is why I build Savage. CHEAP. Otherwise go custom. A Savage with a REAL barrel will run under $1k. A Remmy with a REAL barrel can't be built by ANYONE under $1k unless you are getting free parts OR machine work. I would 100% go CUSTOM but I like to build and sell. Lets me play AND make a lil dough.

It's the same money either rifle, the Rem will have higher resale though.

 

[toddc]

I built a lot of mine for less than $1000 each... And I paid for smith work, and definitely was not given any free parts. I do shop-around for the best prices, which helps, and sometimes I do some horse-trading for parts, but the initial money came from somewhere. Wish I did get free stuff. But a wise man once said "Wish in one hand, crap in the other...See which fills up first."

$350 ADL donor
$75-$100 factory bottom metal (eBay)
$100-$150 for a factory heavy barrel
$25 for a factory Rem/Walker trigger
$75-$200 for a factory stock
$250 for smith work including barrel work & hand-lapping the bore

Total = Low: $875 / High: $1,075

Or, if you didn't replace anything, like you're talking about on a Savage, and just had it rebarreled with an aftermarket barrel and didn't mess with anything else...

$350 ADL donor
$320 barrel blank
$250 smith work

Total: $920

Your smith situation is nearly unique and a real blessing for you. I was ASSuming a REAL barrel and stock, trigger etc. Also we are both talking about POSSIBILITIES as adding the word Mcmillan to either one of our builds instantaneously VOIDS a $1k build.
Kudos to you though because by the time I add all the goodies and rails and rings it always seems to creep up.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Your smith situation is nearly unique and a real blessing for you. I was ASSuming a REAL barrel and stock, trigger etc. Also we are both talking about POSSIBILITIES as adding the word Mcmillan to either one of our builds instantaneously VOIDS a $1k build.
Kudos to you though because by the time I add all the goodies and rails and rings it always seems to creep up.

Yes, the smith situation is unique, but I was referring more towards the price of the components being very similar if you take the time to look around for a good deal or buy when you see it on sale, for your future build you're planning.

I do use real barrels and stocks... Factory Sendero barrels that have had the chamber cleaned up to proper AI specs, polished chamber, and headspacing set to .002", bore-centric lathe-cut crowns, hand-lapped bores, and the threads cleaned up...I'd say that's as close to an aftermarket barrel as you can get for 1/3 of the cost. Still a real barrel though. Also, I use HS Precision stocks and properly skim-bed the actions with DevCon and float the barrels. So I'd definitely say those are real stocks.

I wasn't including rings and rails...Those are included in the scope budget. But that nearly doubles the budget to $2000 for the total build.

 

[Longtooth32]

I've had a Mausingfield in recently and that pretty much fixed my need for one, much better options out there IMO!

Any reasons for your opinion?

I have a Long Action Mausingfield and I have no issues with it...

It is my most accurate Long Action...over 500 rounds down the pipe...and it has a barrel bolt...

 

[bigngreen]

Any reasons for your opinion?

I have a Long Action Mausingfield and I have no issues with it...

It is my most accurate Long Action...over 500 rounds down the pipe...and it has a barrel bolt...

Action is faced with an end mill, when you tighten a barrel on one you can see skips where it makes contact so it can't be square and won't tighten up nice. Bolt needs toroidal lugs because bolt is so loosely fit it would embarrass a Mauser, short spring with below normal pin fall and lightened pin. Timing is poor and the whole cocking cycle is full of compromises. An action works best when simple, there is no need to put everything we have been working away from all into one action, way, way to many parts, you can tell an engineer went crazy with it because it so much more complicated than need be. WAY over priced for what it is, if you get it coated you can buy two Borden action which have zero compromises and much higher quality of machine work. Not trying to hack your choice but just being real with what it is, ya it'll shoot, maybe, I know of one company that has had serious issues with a whole set of training rifles built on them and at great expense replaced them all with time tested designs.
Your rifle shoots good because of a good barrel!!