rockwind
Well-Known Member
if we as hunters and OUTDOORSMEN honestly want to preserve the land for the future, the cattle, horses, and water sucking pivots have to go.
Well stated. Thank YouIdiocy doesn't have a particular zip code, and their are non resident hunters who do have etiquette and are very thankful to hunt in the one of the premier states. I live in a small town between Seattle and Portland and I don't agree with anyone who would broad brush stereotype me as an non resident without etiquette because of where I live and work. The campfire thing is either ignorance or idiocy. Had a drunk driver not t boned me last week I would've been leaving on my first out of state trip to Idaho, something I've looked forward to my whole life, and my etiquette would have gone with me.
This is not a new thing and it doesn't matter what state your from. It is more about city folk who didn't grow up hunting didn't learn hunter ethics and etiquette from grandpa, dad and uncles. 40 some odd years ago when I first started hunting it was a family affair and if you didn't follow the rules you didn't get to go for awhile. We were bird hunting public land in central Kansas we had a covey of quail pointed, 2 dogs locked up purty. We couldn't flush because we had some other hunters walking in on us so we Gillard hey, we got some birds down here. We expected them to back off out of the way. Instead they said thanks and kept right on coming. They walked right in on our dogs, flushed our birds and hunted them out of sight. We looked at each other in disbelief at what had just happened. I guess they thought we were doing a public service for them by pointing out the birds. My dad being the senior man in the group said boy's lets get gathered up and go, who knows what them idiots will shoot at! We were near Wichita and can only assume they were city folks that didn't know any better. That is partly the fault of hunter education, questions like that should be on the test and if students can't answer questions on ethics and etiquette the shouldn't pass the course!!! I know hunter numbers are dwindling but that's no excuse to let every idiot pass the course first time just to boost numbers. You got to train THEM to be good hunters and outdoorsman. Heck throw some questions in there about good citizenship to. Obviously their families aren't teaching them these things!!!Just returned from a deer hunt in WY area 82 and I must say that as a resident who's hunted this area for the past 19+ years I left completely disappointed.
I saw numerous camps of CA, ID and UT hunters with open fires in camp while we have stage 2 fire restrictions in place. You can't even smoke outside of a vehicle during stage 2 restrictions. The state has signs everywhere stating NO FIRE, FIRE BAN ect and its virtually impossible they didn't know.
I also had both WY resident hunters (really disappointed) and UT hunters stop 50 yards away from me on two different occasions while I was glassing a small 20 acre BLM piece of ground and start hunting it - no etiquette. The WY guys deserve a good beating and the non-residents should just stay away...hunt you own state.
That is why what I hunt flys and lands in the water.And that is why I gave up hunting it got scary out there . It isn't much better with the predator hunting any more people that have no respect for the others and will lie , cheat and steal from you trying to keep you from hunting . let me blow your candle out and maybe mine will shine brighter kind of deal !
we have taken pictures of license plates/vehicles in camps and turned them in to State Police who patrol hunting lands and they (the police), have acted on our reports and then reported back to us the result. It works.....Just returned from a deer hunt in WY area 82 and I must say that as a resident who's hunted this area for the past 19+ years I left completely disappointed.
I saw numerous camps of CA, ID and UT hunters with open fires in camp while we have stage 2 fire restrictions in place. You can't even smoke outside of a vehicle during stage 2 restrictions. The state has signs everywhere stating NO FIRE, FIRE BAN ect and its virtually impossible they didn't know.
I also had both WY resident hunters (really disappointed) and UT hunters stop 50 yards away from me on two different occasions while I was glassing a small 20 acre BLM piece of ground and start hunting it - no etiquette. The WY guys deserve a good beating and the non-residents should just stay away...hunt you own state.
Topic off point. This was about idiots and not ranching.going to politely disagree about ranchers protecting the land, or even wildlife. I am die hard conservative and lots of family are farmers and ranchers in Neb. but having cattle in the dry western states is an environmental catastrophe,, I've been watching it happen for decades. I would rather have the non-residents throw beer cans around than have the cows. they are turning the ecosystem into a dustbowl as they walk miles a day looking for a bit of grass. probably do more damage than the wild horses. and then the alfalfa farmers sucking the ground water dry, wasting water by running their pivots when they shouldn't be,,,lowering the water table, all the springs are drying up in the mountains because of it, so now the native animals can't get any water,, not to mention what the cows and wild horses do to the still flowing springs. they wont' let any other animals in to drink and stomp the springs into mudholes or even stomp them into not flowing anymore. I am sure everyone on here can agree the wild horses are doing tremendous damage but very few can admit the cattle do even more damage. i know one local mountain that used to be nice to hunt on but the cows have turned every sqare inch of it into powdery dust,, can't even walk around anymore. sorry for the reality check guys. I am curious if anyone can agree with me? open your eyes and mind and contemplate before responding.
It's part of Hunter safety for the simple reason that some folks will shoot your butt over something like this! You let them cross the wrong one and there will be bloodshed in this day and age!This is not a new thing and it doesn't matter what state your from. It is more about city folk who didn't grow up hunting didn't learn hunter ethics and etiquette from grandpa, dad and uncles. 40 some odd years ago when I first started hunting it was a family affair and if you didn't follow the rules you didn't get to go for awhile. We were bird hunting public land in central Kansas we had a covey of quail pointed, 2 dogs locked up purty. We couldn't flush because we had some other hunters walking in on us so we Gillard hey, we got some birds down here. We expected them to back off out of the way. Instead they said thanks and kept right on coming. They walked right in on our dogs, flushed our birds and hunted them out of sight. We looked at each other in disbelief at what had just happened. I guess they thought we were doing a public service for them by pointing out the birds. My dad being the senior man in the group said boy's lets get gathered up and go, who knows what them idiots will shoot at! We were near Wichita and can only assume they were city folks that didn't know any better. That is partly the fault of hunter education, questions like that should be on the test and if students can't answer questions on ethics and etiquette the shouldn't pass the course!!! I know hunter numbers are dwindling but that's no excuse to let every idiot pass the course first time just to boost numbers. You got to train THEM to be good hunters and outdoorsman. Heck throw some questions in there about good citizenship to. Obviously their families aren't teaching them these things!!!
Not sure where or when to 10% came about, but it is Dated, LOL In any facet of life, including hunting or fishing.There has always been the 10%. 10 percent of any given group will be some kind of jack-wagon. 10 percent will be above and beyond shirt off their back anything to help you great people. Then the 80% that follow the rules and just mind their business. The Jack-wagon 10% are the ones that are sooo easy to notice and remember. It has always been this way, and I'm afraid it always will be. Enjoy and appreciate the other 90%.
Well we're going to a stage 1 area and plan on following restrictions, building a enclosed stove with 1/4 inch spark arrestor mesh per reg. As far as stay away from your state, I dont think so. You have a ton of blm land for all Americans to enjoyJust returned from a deer hunt in WY area 82 and I must say that as a resident who's hunted this area for the past 19+ years I left completely disappointed.
I saw numerous camps of CA, ID and UT hunters with open fires in camp while we have stage 2 fire restrictions in place. You can't even smoke outside of a vehicle during stage 2 restrictions. The state has signs everywhere stating NO FIRE, FIRE BAN ect and its virtually impossible they didn't know.
I also had both WY resident hunters (really disappointed) and UT hunters stop 50 yards away from me on two different occasions while I was glassing a small 20 acre BLM piece of ground and start hunting it - no etiquette. The WY guys deserve a good beating and the non-residents should just stay away...hunt you own state.