Dialing or Hold Over?????

[ss7mm]

pdog:

I find that the NF scopes are great for long range work. I use the 5.5-22x56 with NP-R2 but will probably have one replaced with the NP-R1 this summer. The NP-R1 would be a good long range reticle.

The lines in my reticle are very fine and work great for long range work. No problem picking a spot on even a very small target. I find it weird that you think the crosshairs in the NF are "large".

 

[jwp475]

pdog:

I find it weird that you think the crosshairs in the NF are "large".

+1......

 

[badaboom]

Old School

All good points.

Fiftydriver
I really like your perspective regarding this subject.

I primarily use hold over and also adjust for windage all from practice and ballistics
and proven testing. When conditions are not conductive to shooting accurately, I don't shoot. I'm primarily a hunter and shoot as often as possible as quickly as possible. I feel that many of the BDC type recticles do help for longer ranges.

I understand the reason for the Click adjustments but this is primarily for tactical reasons. So being that I primarily do my shooting and practice for hunting situations. I don't do much if any click adjustments.

And just for curiousity sake there have been many great shooters in the History of firearms and shooting that used nothing but cross hairs and adjusted for some environmental reason and hit 10 rings just fine.

Nothing can replace practice, practice and more practice.

 

[goodgrouper]

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I understand the reason for the Click adjustments but this is primarily for tactical reasons. So being that I primarily do my shooting and practice for hunting situations. I don't do much if any click adjustments.

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Are you implying that click adjustments are tactical and not primarily used for hunting? Because if you are, that is incorrect. By tactical, I suppose you are referring to military and or police sniping? I have several police sharpshooter friends and they are trained in "tactical" response shooting. As such, this is usually urban sniping and distances they are trained at are what I would consider "close range" or under 500 yards. That's not to say they don't shoot farther, it's just that they don't get many urban situations where shooting farther is needed so they train for what they will most likely encounter. And they are actually trained to use drop reticles matching factory ammo or they use Mark 4 scopes with BDC turrets set to match factory ammo. The majority don't click.
The military on the other hand, are trained in both methods but I know the long range snipers are employing a type of PDA with a ballistic program for their 50 cal sniping and that is the method they prefer for reaching out to over a mile.
Obviously, clicking is easily converted over to hunting as the intentions are the same (only the targets are different) and I would bet it is the preferred method of the majority of long range hunters.

 

[dennis]

how does the schmidt and bender with hollands reticle stack up?

 

[LewisH]

Maybe I missed something, but back in the day when I competed in highpower silhouette, we'd occasionally get distracted and forget to click up or down for the next bank of targets . Any special techniques you men use in the field to avoid this blunder?

Is that what the "zero stop " is all about, and is it recommended if you use clicking instead of the reticle method of adjustment?

 

[ss7mm]

I don't know about you but I have a mental program that I go through before, during and after each shot. After the shot I do certain things depending on whether I'm shooting targets or critters. One of those things is to return the turret to zero before I do anything that has to do with changing from the task at hand. I'd guess it's just as easy to forget and use the wrong hash mark for "hold overs" as it is to return to zero. I can guarantee you that the first time it costs you dearly, you will remember to return to zero.

Even if you have the zero stop, it's not automatic. If you can remember to use the zero stop you can remember to return to zero.

Having said all of this, have I forgotten to return to zero? YES! Did it cost me big time? Yes! But, I still think it's just part of the mental game of long range shooting. It's just that sometimes my mental game goes a little south.

I heard a very well known smith on this forum say in an electronic format I happened to be watching, that he had once gotten so wrapped up in all of the pre shot preparation for a long range shot that he forgot to dial the turrets, got in behind the gun and took the shot. Needless to say he probably hit a "little low".

 

[badaboom]

goodgrouper

I hear what your saying. Although I see that most hunting scopes do not some with a tactical reticle. I believe as you read through this thread shooter's used both methods and I agree with that and what works best for you and your firearm.

 

[edge]

A year or so ago there was a review of a couple of IVEY base mounts that had 150 MOA adjustment.

This eliminates the turrets and leaves the scope always centered. Unless these do not worked as good as the review stated, would not this be a great way to dial?

I did not like the micrometer adjustments size, and would prefer yardages, but I would assume that once you learned it, it would become second nature.

Does anyone use this type of system?

thank,

edge.

 

[Shawn Carlock]

I have seen advantages and disadvantages with both systems. I see the bottom line as this, any system requires practice and knowledge of their setup. This is the place I find most shooters failing. It is simply not good enough to run a chart then apply dial or hold from it and go hunting. So many people skip the valadation part where they go and shoot the distances prior to field use. Having used both a fair amount over the years I just like to dial the longer shots in but freely admit that reticle hold over works. They both have their pros and cons. I think you just need to spend some time to see what one works best for your abilities and style.

 

[Fiftydriver]

Edge,

tested a set of Ivey rings a while ago and can say for a fact that they are not repeatable enough to allow dialing up or down for long range shots. They are not ment to be this precise. What they are designed for is to allow you a huge range of course adjustment and then use your scopes precision adjustments for fine adjustments on bullet impact.

Say you want a rifle that is capable of being zeroed at 100 yards but also to be able to zero at 3000 yards. That is not possible with the scopes we have today that I know of anyway.

But with these rings, you can do this because of the huge amount of rough verticle adjustment they offer.

Kirby Allen(50)

 

[edge]

Thanks for the reply, I misunderstood there usage
That's what happens when something sounds too good to be true.

edge.

 

[Len Backus]

Time to refresh this topic.

 

[Bravo 4]

I agree Len...

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Less Filling!

Sorry, first thing I think of when I hear this.