Maybe we are related..me to ..lone dumb hunter. Must of been thousands of elk packed gypsy style, done it myself.On a saddle horse , sometimes leave hide on between the 1/4 's a hole thru and over the dally horn, this is better done by 2 dummies though .With packsaddles we try to keep the loads higher, if possible.A guy can box hitch on a riding saddle too.I have shod mules a little, it is a different foot than a horse...definetly able to hit a target better.It is all fun and makes a memory .Cheers.