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Froggy,

An emotional post. When you've sipped on a decaf and taken some deep breaths...

I'm in the British Army. The ACI is not.

I hope that is easy enough to understand /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

(What you must have seen on television is the result of private purchase by individuals of a neat gadget.)

By all means sound off again. I have ended on this subject /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Listen Guys, yes I get a little upset when people question integrity, Brown Dog I'm not doudting that you are in the British Army thats a big outfit and a fine one at that.

GoodGrouper as I stated protractors and string will work, Sorta $20 vs $100 is a big jump.

In a nut shell and this is EOS for me( End Of Story ) If you want something that works, is rugged and reliable and is used by special forces snipers all over the world, Including England, because it's the best piece of equiptment for the job out there, then please give Sniper tools your business.

I'm not doubting that the slope doper will work, snipers in the old days used a protractor and a piece of string, If you want to spend $20 for a Slope Doper then by all means go ahead, I would not trust my Trophy to it over the ACI but again thats my opinion.

Sorry if I offended anyone, My goal in this thread was two fold, to protect my friends Integrity and to also endorse for him what I profesionaly feel, is the best piece of gear for the job it was designed to do out there.

I'll think I'll have that cup of decaff and a deep breath now Ol'e Chap, Tally ho, What, What, thanks, Carry on, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Froggy OUT.
 
This is directed toward all.


Gotta step in here.


We've apparently ceased to post anything constructive on the subject of this thread.


Time to get back on topic and civil.


Maybe some editing is also in order...

I waited.. no response so I performed the edits... 20 Jan 2005
 
I would agree with Dave, lets stick with the constructive forum that has set this site apart from the masses, instead of turning it into a hash slinging secession. Multiple points of view are the basis of a good forum, but if someone has a point of view that differs from your own don't take it personel. It is simply a point of view.
 
I have been using the Exbal program for several years. It has worked great out to 1000 yards with my 308 win & 338 Lapua Magnum, however I have been routinely shooting my 338LM past 1K and the accuracy of my Exbal program drops off pretty dramatically past 1K. For example Exbal says I need 36.6 MOA at 1300 yards, but it takes me 40 MOA, and at 1600 yards Exbal says 51.1MOA but it takes 57.5 MOA. I am looking for a more accurate ballistics program so allow me to get first round hits out to 1600 yards.

The Exbal allows me to get on steel in one or two rounds at 1600 yards but I want to be better than that.
 
I'm not interested in reading through any slanging matches. But i will tell you this. Drown Dog is correct when he says that the ACI is not on Gerneral Issue to the British Army, He aught to know. and i also know for a fact, that although many British Army sniper and special forces teams are using the ACI, it is bought either by the individual or on what is know on local pruchase.
It should be on General Issue, that is a fact, as should a set of badger rings for the S&B PMII as the AI rings are inferior.
Having spent 10 Years in the British Army i can tell you as a fact, kit like the ACI tends to get bought by individuals for thier own personal use, it takes years for the slow wheels of MOD procurement to get moving. which is why in 1982 in the Falklands we where still using the same combat boot as we had in Korea, Some Spec forces and Marines, if allowed by Unit Standing Orders, wore civilian hiking boots as an alternative. It took until the mid/ late 1990's (15 years later)untill we finaly got a waterproof combat boot. Same story with a decent rucksack and load carrying webbing, we were issued 58 pattern webbing, it was totaly unsuitable for the equipment we had to carry, we all went and bought, out of our own money, either from the PRI shop in camp, civie out door shops or from specialist companies and actual system that would work, berghaus bergen ruck sack, and either chest webbing or stuff from specialist manufacturers, its the same story with clothing, we were issued out of date items, we went an bought our own decent kit, like norwegen roll kneck shirts,( as late as 1992 i was issued the same **** shirts my father was issued in 1947) Arktis SAS smocks, we all had a trip to a US base to visit the PX and bought Matterhorn boots. the list is endless, and it is the same now. The guys are buying thier own kit. Special forces have more , lets call it buying power, to localy purchase gadgets and items that are well thought out and actualy work. An infantry company sniper does not , unless he has a darn good boss who is into shooting and on par with evolving technology that is willing and able to make troop funds pay for such items.
Its not much better for the US forces, Ask the guys over on Adopt a Sniper if the US snipers have the ACI on general issue, by all accounts logisticicians cant even manage to muster up scopes and mounts, slings and bipods for many sniper rifles, bino's and range finders, never mind a handy gadget like the ACI.
I will say it again, the ACI should be on issue to every Sniper within NATO, it is a darn good bit of kit, one of those things that you think, darn wish i'd thought of that. I like it so much i have 2.
The simple question as to wether the ACI is on issue to the British Military is: Whats the NSN ( NATO Stock Number) ?
Pete
 
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The simple question as to wether the ACI is on issue to the British Military is: Whats the NSN ( NATO Stock Number) ?
Pete


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Made in USA U.S. Pat. 6,568,092
ANGLE COSINE INDICATOR
NATO Stock number: 1005 99 212 5621
Manufacturers Part No.: ACICOSG
CAGE: 3LQE0
Sniper Tools Design Co.
P.O. Box 5046 Chatsworth, CA 91313

E.O.S.
 
W, just so you don't get the wrong idea. I think the ACI is a super bit of kit.
The fact that it has a NSN is good. It should be on General Issue, but it is not as yet on general. It has a NSN that is concurrent with a local purchase item and not an NSN concurrent with a General issue item. We are just argueing about word choice here. It is on issue to some Spec Force units in the British Military. The first ones to get anything like this are the SAS, Marines and Para's or units on active duty.
If you look at the review of the ACI by the Brit Sniper which is spread around the web, it states that he bought his ACI from Global Rifle in the UK and not that he was issued with it.
Tell you what i have 2 British Infantry Regiments within 30 miles of my house, I will take my rifle, complete with Badger mount and ACI along to see the Officer / SNCO in charge of marksmanship / Sniper ops, and if he says, ah, we already have those. Then i will post the fact here and i will send you a crate of German Beer. If they don't have them i will pass on contact details or have Marty send me a bunch. Hows that, your on a no loose situation.
Don't get me and Brown Dog wrong, we wheren't questioning you or the product, we where questioning the Military supply system and defining the difference between local purchase and General or / Standard issue.
regards Pete
 
Is German beer better than English Beer, I love a Newcastle myself, Becks is O.K. really like Guiness too.

Personaly, I think this post has run it's course, why beat a dead horse.

Cheers.
 
Pete: By the way, when you visit your local military unit, call in the NAAFI and get my case of beer (even though I don't drink) if indeed these are front line fighting units, and have been issued with the .338 Lapua, they will have been issued with the ACI's, & 34 mm Rings, (NATO Stock No. 1005 992533460), (MPN ACI34MR).

Don't forget my private challenge...

-W

BTW, just send the beer, (probably best in an Amercian case) to my Anchor Crank'n bud, Froggy. Doverstrike gets the credit for that term.
 
W. i live bang in the middle of 4 Armoured Brigade. We have The Duke of Wellingtons Regt and 1Bn Scotts Guards. I hunt with an officer from Guards and with an A mech attached to the Dukes. Both units are on deployment at the moment but i will be in to see the rear party on Monday, i know at least one unit Armourer will be on rear party in both Barracks and if the units have the ACI the Regimental Armourer will have fitted em to the rifles( I know cos i spent 10 years doing that job). I know the Dukes had never seen an ACI until showed em one a couple of months back.
I think we are just talking about the difference between standard or general issue and special issue and or local purchase.
I hope i am proved wrong and they are on general issue, they should be. If they are i will be mighty impressed. Unfortunately i know the Brit logistics and supply system, and i doubt that an ACI is fitted to every sniperrifle within the Brit Army, as would be the case if the thing was on General or standard issue.
Its all by the by, the piece of equipment is excellent, it is a must for every sniper, it should be on every sniper and designated marksman rifle throughout NATO.
I am in contact with these units in this garrison often as ive been doing the gunsmithing for the garrison hunting / shooting club for the last 14years or so. I certainly haven't seen an ACI issued to these lot yet, it may be that they get them when they deploy, but as i said, that ain't general or standard issue. so you can't claim that. In use with British snipercurrently in Iraq and Afganistan is a whole different kettle of fish in choice of words and thats what Brown Dog was getting at..Anyway, i will go and see on monday, and i will certainly be trying to convince any shooters in germany that they need one, general issue or not. Let you know what i find out ok..
Pete
 
Pete: As you know there is a difference between the mechanized units, (who will be receiving new kit shortly) and the front line fighting units. Regardless, the British Forces have had the ACI for Two Full Years; and they have for the most part, been mounted onto the WS's by the Shooters themselves.

BTW, have they, (the MOD) decided on their new SWS? I think not. But for certain, (and you probably are aware of this) they will be Super Magnum .338 Lapua's and the ACI will be included in the package, and on all new Sniper rifles. As I stated before, regardless of how it was read, the ACI is for certain, issued equipment period.

Anyway, Thank you for the kind words about the ACI.

-W
 
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