SOLD/EXPIRED Canadian wants to buy a stock that is unavailable in Canada

[Beached Whale]

I've been drooling over this stock on Stocky's website for quite some time now and really want to buy one.

*SPECIAL SALE* Bobby Hart Long Range Target / Tactical (LRT) Remington 700 BDL / Savage 10/12 (4.40) Laminated Heavy Barrel Riflestocks (Right & Left Hand Models)

I talked to Stocky's directly and they said they will not ship to a Canadian address. They also told me that if anyone in Canada sold these stocks, they were not aware of it. Does anybody stateside have one of these stocks that they would like to get rid of? Would anybody be willing to possibly mail me a new one if i covered all the costs involved?

 

[Tikkamike]

I've been drooling over this stock on Stocky's website for quite some time now and really want to buy one.

*SPECIAL SALE* Bobby Hart Long Range Target / Tactical (LRT) Remington 700 BDL / Savage 10/12 (4.40) Laminated Heavy Barrel Riflestocks (Right & Left Hand Models)

I talked to Stocky's directly and they said they will not ship to a Canadian address. They also told me that if anyone in Canada sold these stocks, they were not aware of it. Does anybody stateside have one of these stocks that they would like to get rid of? Would anybody be willing to possibly mail me a new one if i covered all the costs involved?

if you can show me that its legal and doesnt require an exporter or any special licensing i will do it.

 

[Joel Russo]

Well guys, here's the long and short of it...

It is a violation of Title 19, United States Code, Section 1595a(d), Title 22, United States Code, Section 401 and Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, Parts 120-130 to send a stock outside of the US, as gun stocks are listed on the Department of Commerce, Commerce Control List, (CCL).

Don't ask me how I know these specifics Maybe because U.S. Customs and Border Protection corresponded with me very recently. We had coffee together as we went over the six page document I received...

If you are out of the US, and want to purchase the stock, you will need to involve both an importer and an exporter, and you will need to complete the required documentation on both ends.

I continue to sell stocks to a Canadian sporting goods company who has engaged the services of an exporter in Washington state to take care of all the required red tape. I can provide the specific information in a pm if you are interested.

 

[Tikkamike]

That clears that up. Offer retracted.. sorry

 

[eric2381]

American companies can sell and ship rifle stocks north of the border to a Canadian adress without issue as long as the value of the stock is less than $100. I've bought a few stocks from Boyd's without issue. I've bought quite a few used stocks from people in USA that were valued under $100 without issue as well.

If you wish to purchase a higher priced stock, there are several good importers that will help you out. PM me if you'd like to know the info on a good one

Eric.

 

[Beached Whale]

Sorry guys, I looked into the Canadian side of things but totally forgot about the American side of things. I guess i assumed that because your gun control laws down there are generally looser than the ones we have here it wouldn't be a problem.

I'll do a little more research next time before i involve anybody other than myself.

Again, my apologies.

As far as Boyd's stocks are concerned, they dont have anything similar to the Hart stock I want shown on their website for a LA 700 rifle. Do they make something similar and just not list it?

As far as hiring an importer, most seem to want a $150 fee for importing a rifle part, which doesn"t really make a lot of sense for a $220 rifle stock. The combined $370 would go a long way towards something local.

 

[eric2381]

It wouldn't hurt to call Clay at Prophet River in Loydminster, Alberta and ask him what he'd charge to bring it in.

 

[Beached Whale]

American companies can sell and ship rifle stocks north of the border to a Canadian adress without issue as long as the value of the stock is less than $100. I've bought a few stocks from Boyd's without issue. I've bought quite a few used stocks from people in USA that were valued under $100 without issue as well.

If you wish to purchase a higher priced stock, there are several good importers that will help you out. PM me if you'd like to know the info on a good one

Eric.

Alright that got me thinking and I've done some reading.

This covers the legal issues stateside...
http://pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/documents/Guidelines_Firearms.pdf

Specific to this article, section V "Exemptions" states the following...

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123.17(a) Minor components - Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or​

complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.

Here is what the canadian govornment says.....
Frequently Asked Questions


Q4. I want to buy parts in the US for my firearm and import them into Canada.
A4. The US controls on the export of firearms extends to parts also. For small orders worth less than US$100.00 the US Department of State allows an exemption from the export licence. This exemption, however, does not cover 'significant' parts which includes; barrels, slides, cylinders, bolts, frames and receivers. It should be noted that there is no equivalent exemption offered by the Department of Commerce for shotgun parts. Further, there is no exemption for ammunition or ammunition components. Canadian importers should follow the procedure outlined in Q1 (above) to import parts not exempted.

So the question is, what exactly is a rifle stock defined as? I would argue that the definitions of the 'significant parts' do not refer to the wooden stock of a bolt action rifle.

Also, it seems that both sides talk about the $100 US dollar cost being the limit that seperate the items that do not need exportation permits from the ones that do, assuming they are not 'significant' parts as defined earlier. Also, the US side states specificlly, "when the total value does not exede $100 wholesale in any single transaction" (bolding mine)

Think about it....the COST OF THE STOCK has to be less than $100. If it just so happened that the buyer accidentaly gave you more.......

Like I said, just throwing that out there.....but I dont intend to get myself or anyone in trouble. If this sounds illegal please let me know and i will put the issue to rest for good.

 

[Beached Whale]

Never mind, I'm just gonna build my own.

 

[orion2000]

Well guys, here's the long and short of it...

It is a violation of Title 19, United States Code, Section 1595a(d), Title 22, United States Code, Section 401 and Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, Parts 120-130 to send a stock outside of the US, as gun stocks are listed on the Department of Commerce, Commerce Control List, (CCL).

Don't ask me how I know these specifics Maybe because U.S. Customs and Border Protection corresponded with me very recently. We had coffee together as we went over the six page document I received...

If you are out of the US, and want to purchase the stock, you will need to involve both an importer and an exporter, and you will need to complete the required documentation on both ends.
....

+1 What he said... I got the same six page letter...
.

 

[Joel Russo]

+1 What he said... I got the same six page letter...
.

Welcome to the club!

 

[SidecarFlip]

No letter here but I have a real nice scope sitting in customs clearing in Chicago that I can have back if I go get it but I imagine that there would be more implications if I did show up to claim it......

I just chalked it up to my ignorance in reading fine print concerning exportation of hunting optics to Canada.

Customs clearing has a nice scope now....................

 

[Joel Russo]

No letter here but I have a real nice scope sitting in customs clearing in Chicago that I can have back if I go get it but I imagine that there would be more implications if I did show up to claim it......

I just chalked it up to my ignorance in reading fine print concerning exportation of hunting optics to Canada.

Customs clearing has a nice scope now....................

And a $1,500.00 stock that I donated...

 

[SidecarFlip]

And a $1,500.00 stock that I donated...

Ya think that maybe those agents in Chicago can build a nice custom piece with all the stuff they collect from ill-informed people like us???

Just another reason not to like Illinois besides their Draconian attitude concerning handguns.......

I have family south of Joilet and everytime I get close to the Indiana/Illinois border, I get the 'willies'. I view western Indiana as the end of the civilized world and Bettendorf, Iowa as the civilized world beginning again......