bullet expansion test results

I have some of the 140 Hunting VLDs on hand. I'll load some up in the 6.5 Grendel and give it a go. The relatively low muzzle velocity should make duplicating a 2000 fps impact velocity pretty easy without having to shoot at long range.

If anyone has a few of the Hornady bullets that they can spare, it would help out with the testing; I'd only need 5 of each. I'll go broke if I buy a whole box of each style of bullet to test!:D

pm me a mailing address and I will send you 147 ELDM, 143 ELDX and 150 Matrix......Rich
 
pm me a mailing address and I will send you 147 ELDM, 143 ELDX and 150 Matrix......Rich
That'd be a huge help! I'll shoot you a PM.

I have some Alco 6.5mm Bullets 160 grainers. These things have nearly a needle point. What twist do you have?
I have a 1-8" twist on all three of the 6.5s. I've been doing everything so far with my 6.5 Grendel, but today's tests showed me that I need to step up a bit. I'll probably do the rest of the 140gr bullets from the 6.5x47 Lapua and then the heavier bullets from the 6.5 Badger (6.5x338 RUM Imp.). I got some more results today that I'll post up.
 
I made it out for another round of testing today. A member of another forum was kind enough to send me the 300gr Scenar, 300gr SMK and 300gr Berger Hybrid bullets to test. All testing was done at 100 yards into the same leather as last time. I'll try adding water to the leather at some point but I want to keep everything consistent for now. I intentionally downloaded most of the ammunition to test low velocity impacts. This did cause borderline stability with a few of the bullets, so I'll have to test some of them again at a higher velocity.

Here's the line up of bullets tested today from left to right (ran out of day light before testing the OTM so no results on that one):

140 Berger, 160 Matrix, 200 NAB, 250 Barnes RN, 277gr MTAC, 300 OTM, 300 Hybrid, 300 Scenar, 300 SMK 303 Hammer, 450 TSX, 500 RN

300gr Berger Hybrid
- Muzzle Velocity 1801 fps

Impact velocity is roughly 1720 fps with a retained weight of 300.5gr and 300.2gr and penetrated 15.75" and 15". The bullets actually weigh slightly more because of the leather material getting trapped in the expanded bullet. I removed as much as I could but clearly didn't get it all. Both bullets tumbled on impact and were recovered facing backwards.


300gr Lapua Scenar
- Muzzle Velocity 1847 fps

Impact velocity is approximately 1760 fps with a retained weight of 284.2 and 300.4 with penetration of 16.5" and 14". Both bullets tumbled and were facing backwards when recovered.


300gr Sierra MK
- Muzzle velocity 1850 fps

Impact velocity is approximately 1760 fps with a retained weight of 266.0 and 266.1 with both bullets penetrating 10.5". Performance of the SMK was phenomenal given the impact velocity. 1760 fps is roughly the velocity that this bullet would have at 1100 yards when fired with a muzzle velocity of 2850, typical of the 338 Edge/Lapua.


277gr Cutting Edge MTAC
- Muzzle velocity 1949 fps

Impact Velocity is approximately 1840 fps with retained weight of 277.0gr for each bullet with penetration of 8.0" and 8.5". These bullets were so unstable that they were key holing at 100 yards. These are non-expanding solids and were tested just for reference and because I have them on hand. It's worth noting the significant damage that they would have caused on impact while tumbling end over end through the target or 8"


303gr Hammer Hunter
- Muzzle Velocity 1917 fps

These bullets require a 1-9.3" twist to stabilize at velocities over 2600 fps. They were so unstable at the low velocity that they didn't make it to the 2' square target at 100 yards.Like the MTACs, I knew before testing them that they wouldn't stabilize at the low velocity. I'll retest them later under more appropriate conditions.

500gr Hornady RN
- Muzzle velocity 2082 fps

The impact velocity is approximately 1835 fps with a retained weight of 498.2gr and 15" of penetration. This is my "plinking" load for the 458 Arnold that gets used occasionally for rabbit hunting. it is the top bullet the photo.


450gr Barnes TSX
- Muzzle velocity 2215 fps

The impact velocity is approximately 2095 fps with a retained weight of 450gr and 13.5" of penetration. This is the bottom bullet in the picture above.

200gr Accubond
- Muzzle velocity 2688 fps

The impact velocity is approximately 2541 fps with a retained weight of 150.6 and 150.4 and penetration of 9.0". Both bullets penetrated the same depth and retained nearly identical weights. Accubonds are proving to be one of the most consistent bullets I've tested. This load was used in January to harvest a cow elk at around 200 yards with excellent results.


250gr Barnes Original RN
- Muzzle velocity 2280 fps

The impact velocity is approximately 2100 fps with a retained weight of 235.6gr and 245.7gr and penetration of 8.0". Both bullets penetrated the same depth and expanded to have a very large frontal area. Weight retention and expansion for a non-bonded was impressive.


140gr Berger VLD Hunting
- Muzzle velocity 1869 fps

The impact velocity is approximately 1759 fps with retained weight of 140gr for both bullets and penetration of 10.5" and 9.5".The bullets should have been fully stabilized from the 1-8" twist even with the relatively low velocity but both bullets were recovered facing backwards. These bullets clearly require greater velocity to perform. I'll try again and go for an impact velocity over 2000 fps.


160gr Matrix VLD
- Muzzle Velocity 1885 fps

The impact velocity is approximately 1760 fps with a retained weight of 160gr and 10.0" penetration. This bullet was marginally stabilized from the 1-8" twist at the low velocity. Also, past experience has show that the extremely heavy for caliber bullet performs poorly with polygonal rifling like that used in the Blackhole barrel used on my CZ 527 6.5 Grendel. The theory is that the poly rifling simply doesn't grip the bullet well enough to get full stability. Only one of the two bullets was recovered and it was facing backwards. The other bullet became unstable and exited the side of the bullet trap.
 
That is an excellent job! I have done a LOT of bullet testing over the years and can appreciate your work. There are two things that really stood out to me. (1) The 300 SMK really surprised me and was very impressive! When I have tested .308 sized SMK's in the past, it took a LOT more velocity to get anything other than a banana bullet (bent tip with NO expansion) (2) I have been telling people for years that a 140 vld will not expand at 1800 as advertised but takes more like 2200 to be consistent, and this is more proof. NICE JOB! I will get those samples in the mail on mon..........Rich
 
Thanks York,

That is a lot of work, I know. Stability becomes a huge variable as far as keeping the point oriented forward. Bullets that do not have lead all the way to the nose will have a difficult time working without fluid to cause the expansion. The lead all the way to the nose acts like fluid on impact due to how soft it is. Our testing shows that a stability less than 1.5sg will inhibit expansion because the bullet will tip or yaw on impact and close the hp.

Something that you could try that would be easy is to put a 1gal milk jug in front of the trap. This will give the hydraulics needed to start expansion. This would not be nearly as messy as trying to figure out how to soak the media. Soaked media would be best in my opinion but very difficult to deal with.

Steve
 
Thanks York,

That is a lot of work, I know. Stability becomes a huge variable as far as keeping the point oriented forward. Bullets that do not have lead all the way to the nose will have a difficult time working without fluid to cause the expansion. The lead all the way to the nose acts like fluid on impact due to how soft it is. Our testing shows that a stability less than 1.5sg will inhibit expansion because the bullet will tip or yaw on impact and close the hp.

Something that you could try that would be easy is to put a 1gal milk jug in front of the trap. This will give the hydraulics needed to start expansion. This would not be nearly as messy as trying to figure out how to soak the media. Soaked media would be best in my opinion but very difficult to deal with.

Steve

Good advice Steve. I agree on the "lead to the tip" and water being a good media to initiate expansion with a HP. Isn't testing fun!:D
 
Good advice Steve. I agree on the "lead to the tip" and water being a good media to initiate expansion with a HP. Isn't testing fun!:D

When you are testing your own product it is fun when it works well. :rolleyes: Testing other peoples stuff is much less stressful. :D

In reality any information we learn when testing is really good. Failures are disappointing but good. Test sessions that go as planned are really good. :D Have a bunch of new bullets that are ready for testing. We were hoping to go today but not going to work out. Hopefully tomorrow.

Steve
 
When you are testing your own product it is fun when it works well. :rolleyes:
PHP:
 Testing other peoples stuff is much less stressful.  :D

In reality any information we learn when testing is really good. Failures are disappointing but good. Test sessions that go as planned are really good. :D Have a bunch of new bullets that are ready for testing. We were hoping to go today but not going to work out. Hopefully tomorrow.

Steve

I like it!
 
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