Brown bear Rifle

[HARPERC]

If sir you owned a High Quality H&H Double starting with a 416 Rigby, 460 Nitro, 557 Nitro and could accurately shoot with iron sites (with practice) It would be the BEST rifle for a Brown Bear and ALL OTHER DANGEROUS GAME within 100yds out to two or three depending your shooting abilities. What is the average distance to shoot a Brown Bear? There is so much woods you usually shoot on the shore line or a marsh. Spotting them off a boat then stocking them. The guide will always get you the closest he can safely so the you don't miss the shot.

No dispute about the merits of quality double rifle on dangerous game. No dispute about distances involved in shooting such game. No doubts about that it represents the BEST choice. No doubt it's even the classiest choice
"IF" I had a quality double rifle and sold it, it gets me on that boat, on that beach, or in that marsh.
The last 100 yards if I got that far could be handled by whatever rifle is farther down the list.
For most of us it's that first part of the journey that's most difficult. I say nicely done to those that can get that far, very nicely done for those that can do it as you describe.
Fun dreams!

 

[Treeslug]

Well Walter Bell shot a lot of rifles. He was born in 1880 died in 1954. Suffered from a failing heart the last two years of his life. Moved back to his estate in Scotland with his wife in 1939.
The 308 was introduced in 1952. Was adopted by NATO( 7.62 x 51) in 1954. Winchester had the rights to it. It became world famous as a great full power short action cartridge. Wildcatters started necking it down to .284 shortly there after. It was made a commercial cartridge by Remington in 1980. The .275 Rigby is the 7x57 Mauser in imperial designation. The Britts used the bore diameter which is the top of the lands where as the Germans used the groove diameter to designate caliber which was .2845 or 7mm. DWM of Germany sold the rights to produce the cartridge and rifles for it throughout the British Empire to Rigby. Back then when you bought a rifle of a certain designation you had to buy the ammo from the rifle maker. Rigby profited immensely by sensational feats surrounding their products. But he never lived long enough to shoot a .308 or it's offshoot the 7-08. He did shoot a lot of different calibers from the .220 Swift for European Stagg to the .313 Westley Richards for a lot of animals around the globe. Including Elliphant. He used various means to kill Bull Elliphant. He disectected their sculls and found the best path to the brain without hitting Lage Bone. He had several near misses or complete misses using the 275 military 174 grain fmj rounds and started using the Westley Richards 313 hard ball and didn't have any more misses. You are right about his killing a lot of Elliphant. 1011. His daily high score was 19. He killed 28 pregnant females. He made a fortune in Ivory. His penchant for using smaller than normal bullets made him famous and the other Great White Hunters jealous. Today he would have been jailed in every country he worked in. He would kill the dominant bull and his mate. This put the heard in a position of disorientation without a leader. He and his team would then kill every bull in the heard. As they say things were different back in the day

Things certainly different were back in those days. Some days were better, some were worse. I never liked the fact that he killed so many elephants, but had he not, the poachers of today and cropping would have done about the same thing. Too much so-called progress on the continent for my taste. They could do with less civilization and more space for the animals. You know more about those times than I ever learned. And it was the 7X57 Mauser that I was thinking of earlier. Thanks!

 

[longgun505]

Longgun505, You could always be the rifle bearer and go on the trip!

If I were still a young stud I'd say let's roll! Alas, I've set foot on enough continents to never gain leave mine, God willing. My hat permanently hangs in MT now🏔

 

[436]

I've hunted deer with an old 760 in 30/06 but used 150 and 165 grainers. They were not bad at all

I've hunted deer with an old 760 in 30/06 but used 150 and 165 grainers. They were not bad at all

You are correct they are very accurate pump action rifles, some of the guys I know back in the day with the Fed's were issued Rem 760's in .308 Win and the ones I shot were in fact quite accurate. I picked up one of the Rem 760 back then in .223 Rem, I had a Rem 870 riot already, I figured I'd pick up one of the Rem 760 in .308 later, never did. I did pick up a .30-06 on trade and found it was a remarkably accurate rifle as hunting rifles go. I no longer have the Rem 870 or the Rem 760 in .30-06 but... I was smart enough to keep the Rem 760 in .223 Rem here's a pic... I'd add, it's a very accurate .223 with many loads running sub-MOA for three shots. It still has the old Redfield 3x9 on it and both are in mint condition. I've taken a couple of Idaho Whitetail Deer and more than a few Yotes with it.

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

You are correct they are very accurate pump action rifles, some of the guys I know back in the day with the Fed's were issued Rem 760's in .308 Win and the ones I shot were in fact quite accurate. I picked up one of the Rem 760 back then in .223 Rem, I had a Rem 870 riot already, I figured I'd pick up one of the Rem 760 in .308 later, never did. I did pick up a .30-06 on trade and found it was a remarkably accurate rifle as hunting rifles go. I no longer have the Rem 870 or the Rem 760 in .30-06 but... I was smart enough to keep the Rem 760 in .223 Rem here's a pic... I'd add, it's a very accurate .223 with many loads running sub-MOA for three shots. It still has the old Redfield 3x9 on it and both are in mint condition. I've taken a couple of Idaho Whitetail Deer and more than a few Yotes with it.



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Now that's a real rifle! Beautiful condition!!!! I had an older 35 rem, but long gone.

 

[legacyguideservice]

Planning on a once in a lifetime brown bear Alaskan hunt in a couple years. Have a 300 Win Mag that shoots 220 Nosler partitions and 200 Nosler partitions quite well. Don't really want to buy another rifle but should I move up to a 338 class? Thinking of either a 33 Nosler, 338 WM or 338 ultra??? Opinions???

zeeman, I didn't read all 17 pages of replies. So, I apologize if I am duplicating. I took a 9 1/2 footer with Scott Newman off the tip of Admiralty Island. I would highly recommend Scott or Keegan McCarthy. The boar died 14 yards away after soaking up 3 rounds of 338 Win. Mag. It had circled back around us in the brush and was coming fast. My first shot took out the top of its heart and the bear hardly slowed down. Practice on your follow up and your off hand shots. If I can ever afford to go again, I will take the time to get to know a 375 or 416 rifle really well. You never know what is going to happen! I have been back to hunt black bear. If you want more info, DM me.

 

[Deleted member 118518]

You are correct they are very accurate pump action rifles, some of the guys I know back in the day with the Fed's were issued Rem 760's in .308 Win and the ones I shot were in fact quite accurate. I picked up one of the Rem 760 back then in .223 Rem, I had a Rem 870 riot already, I figured I'd pick up one of the Rem 760 in .308 later, never did. I did pick up a .30-06 on trade and found it was a remarkably accurate rifle as hunting rifles go. I no longer have the Rem 870 or the Rem 760 in .30-06 but... I was smart enough to keep the Rem 760 in .223 Rem here's a pic... I'd add, it's a very accurate .223 with many loads running sub-MOA for three shots. It still has the old Redfield 3x9 on it and both are in mint condition. I've taken a couple of Idaho Whitetail Deer and more than a few Yotes with it.



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That's awesome. I was not aware that it was available in .223. The only thing I wish had been better was the trigger.

 

[436]

Now that's a real rifle! Beautiful condition!!!! I had an older 35 rem, but long gone.

Yep, if you've ever owned one in a rare caliber like the .35 Rem you never forget them.

 

[436]

That's awesome. I was not aware that it was available in .223. The only thing I wish had been better was the trigger.

Yes, the triggers'..., actually the trigger on this one not that bad. The rifle is one of the harder 760's to find, the extra magazine even more so... the extra mag for this one I found in Quebec Canada, it was the only one I found at that time $$$ plus.

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

Yep, if you've ever owned one in a rare caliber like the .35 Rem you never forget them.

I cry every time I see pictures of older 760s and thinking about letting mine go! What a KNOCK DOWN caliber with a 200 gr soft point. Only those that have had one and experienced it can relate. When holding the 760 in 35 Rem and shooting it at an animal , you line up the sites or scope, squeeze the trigger, feel the recoil, and then hear the report back of the OOMPH when the 200gr hits the animal and actually pushes it a foot or two sideways and lifts them off their feet. Then you know about a real rifle and deer/bear cartridge.

 

[436]

I cry every time I see pictures of older 760s and thinking about letting mine go! What a KNOCK DOWN caliber with a 200 gr soft point. Only those that have had one and experienced it can relate. When holding the 760 in 35 Rem and shooting it at an animal , you line up the sites or scope, squeeze the trigger, feel the recoil, and then hear the report back of the OOMPH when the 200gr hits the animal and actually pushes it a foot or two sideways and lifts them off their feet. Then you know about a real rifle and deer/bear cartridge.

So very true!

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

So very true!

BUT with these new times a CREEDMOOR could do it better???
I can't find omgees for a laugh to put in this.

 

[436]

BUT with these new times a CREEDMOOR could do it better???
I can't find omgees for a laugh to put in this.

Keep trying.

 

[Frank in the Laurels]

Your .300wm with a 200gr partition will hammer anything you can hit..same as the .338wm with a 225gr partition..time tested killers