Bone to pick with new rifle owners - 100 yards out of the box

The thing that gets me about people that can't shoot but show up for hunting is that they got through hunters Ed/safety classes and passed--- maybe that's where we should be looking to improve the"system"--- a little more shooting proficiency, general knowledge, etc needs to be taught before giving them the "license" to go kill animals.
But we all know that any time the gooberment gets involved they just screw it up more.
This rings true for me still.
I didn't grow up with guns or hunting but was involved in competitive archery, so at least understood what counts as a hit. I went through hunters ed and got my hunting license in my late teens and still think about how poorly most of the 30+ person class shot. We shot open sight 22s at paper targets placed at 25 and 50 yards. My buddy I went with got his shots on the piece of printer paper the target was on at each distance but failed to hit the actual target. He was better than half the class though which missed entire paper!
To my amazement, every single person passed that class! 😳
 
This rings true for me still.
I didn't grow up with guns or hunting but was involved in competitive archery, so at least understood what counts as a hit. I went through hunters ed and got my hunting license in my late teens and still think about how poorly most of the 30+ person class shot. We shot open sight 22s at paper targets placed at 25 and 50 yards. My buddy I went with got his shots on the piece of printer paper the target was on at each distance but failed to hit the actual target. He was better than half the class though which missed entire paper!
To my amazement, every single person passed that class! 😳
I took an NRA train the trainer class for basic pistol several years back. Of 5 people who were in the class, I was the only one who had appreciable trigger time. After the classroom portion we shot the qualifier, which was a 9" plate at 15 yards. You had to put a 6" group onto the plate with 15 out of 20 shots to pass. Some of the new "instructors" were allowed to try the qualifier 6 times in a row before they squeaked through and got 15 in the group. But, they finally passed and therefore became fully fledged nra instructors. Blew me away how low that bar was and how hard it still was for most folks there.
 
I believe reading what @Small Lady was stating...she is well aware that it is a near impossible goal but is modest enough to set the Bar so high in-order to qualify herself Proficient and ready for lesser ranges. Realist..not dreamer..just me!
That is exactly what I was relaying. It's a near impossible feat even for most benchrest shooters. She would be setting herself up for defeat before she even got started. A more realistic goal should be set and then improved upon. Otherwise, it would just cause discouragement and despair. Not to mention the waste of a lot of ammo trying to do the near impossible 1 time. Something most people don't think about is the fact that the bullet is coming in at a relatively steep angle which now turns that 5" tall can into much less of a target to hit elevation wise. Now add a 1 or 2 mph puff of wind, or a little bit of mirage to the equation and try to do it 20 times in a row without missing. Even if you are dialed in perfect at the beginning, somewhere in that 20 shot string, the conditions will change. Whether it is environmentally, fouling in the bore or heat in the barrel.
 
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Bone to pick and advice. Over the past ten years, we have seen a massive growth in out of the box 1000 yard capable rifles. Set up amazingly, built incredibly well and topped with amazing glass. Even engineered ammo. Then add ranging binos and ballistics calculators and you have a pretty amazing set up. True

If you buy one of these, awesome. SHOOT IT before you show up in camp. SO many times, I have been in camp trueing my D.O.P.E. and had some person show up with a rifle they have never shot and expecting to shoot their animal. They sit down, start shooting and wonder why they arent hitting the 500 yard target I set up.

Its because no one who cannot shoot 500 should try to shoot 500. Further more, shooting 600 is not a little harder than 500, its way harder. Just like shooting 1000 is not 2x as hard as shooting 500. NO its 10x harder. Especially in the field!! Especially with untested rifle, ammo, and hunter.

I have seen a few animals wounded and die terrible, long and painful deaths. Seen a few even not be recovered that were shot very badly. Please, show up ready to be an ethical hunter rather than showing up with bravado and ego. There is a reason military shooters have DOPE, so they hit the target correctly the first time! Then, true their dope...its takes time but the animal deserves it.
Airborne and Amen !
 
Have you ever heard that "no question is a stupid one"? I'd rather answer a hundred "dumb" questions than learn someone assumed something and hurt or killed themselves.
I don't like to discuss my medical issues, but they're applicable to this issue; eight years ago I severely damaged my spine requiring fused discs in my lower neck, a plate and a couple more discs in my lower back. As a result I've been on nerve medication and pain meds daily. One unfortunate effect is the medication affects memory. I also couldn't shoot for 31/2 years. Now, getting back into reloading and shooting, there are things I should know and remember but can't. I've come to the forum many times asking asking for answers wondering if people think I'm some beginner when in fact I started reloading 45 plus years ago. I'd rather ask the "dumb" questions rather than screw up monumentally.
 
I think a lot of the "dumb question" issues come up in how folks ask the question. If you're straight up about where you're at and accepting of the information given, folks shouldn't give you much flack (aside for the occasional a-hole). But, some folks come on with an ego asking questions and not accepting answers because they don't like them, and that goes sideways fast.
 
I don't like to discuss my medical issues, but they're applicable to this issue; eight years ago I severely damaged my spine requiring fused discs in my lower neck, a plate and a couple more discs in my lower back. As a result I've been on nerve medication and pain meds daily. One unfortunate effect is the medication affects memory. I also couldn't shoot for 31/2 years. Now, getting back into reloading and shooting, there are things I should know and remember but can't. I've come to the forum many times asking asking for answers wondering if people think I'm some beginner when in fact I started reloading 45 plus years ago. I'd rather ask the "dumb" questions rather than screw up monumentally.
I'm really sorry for your health issues. They suck, I know. I have a mirad of them myself. I have stopped and restarted reloading 3 times in my life. The last time for my back and the meds I was put on. Fast forward 20 years. I target shoot now but had to give up hunting. My body wont take it anymore. I think I understand your point. It's a real PITA! I will never out someone for asking the dumb question. No such thing. All the best!
 
I think a lot of the "dumb question" issues come up in how folks ask the question. If you're straight up about where you're at and accepting of the information given, folks shouldn't give you much flack (aside for the occasional a-hole). But, some folks come on with an ego asking questions and not accepting answers because they don't like them, and that goes sideways fast.
Or they know the answer they want to hear and stir the pot.
 
Start saving the brass now, you'll be glad you did if you eventually start reloading. Brass will run $1.00-$2.00 a piece depending on the cartridge and brand.

I save my 7mm brass, but not the 22 or 30-30 brass.
That i just pick up off the ground and put into the pails that my boss has, where we all put used ammo.
I have to buy my own 7mm ammo, but my employer supplies me all the 22 and 30-30 I want.
If I get a 243 all the ammo will be supplied for that free as well.
 
I shoot a LOT of rimfire. Trigger time is good no matter what it is attached to. I also shoot a lot of cast bullet handgun loads. I have seen a lot of good rifle shooters that are just okay with a handgun, but never seen a handgunner that can't shoot very good with a rifle. Those short barrels really magnify small errors.

I have not so much as held a handgun.
Wish our government had good people in it, and we could go buy and carry anything we want.
I like old fashioned stuff, so would buy a revolver if I could.
 

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