Three seasons ago I had all the time in the world to set up my shot. 550 yards with a 143ELDX, the cow elk only took a couple of steps and fell over. I hit her exactly in the heart. It felt like it actually took a long time for the bullet to even get down to her, if she would have taken a step or turned around I definatly wouldn't have been as pleased. No blood shot meat, but I won't ever shoot that far with a Creed again. Just seemed like it didn't hit hard enough for me. Will be keeping creed shots inside of 400. Not cause it didn't work but I felt I was on the cusp of it not expanding.-WW
ps. I've used a lot of Barnes and inside of 500 it works fine, same with Hammers.