Best 6.5 CM Hunting Bullet for Moderate Long Range Distances

[Priley]

Wrong again. Energy isn't what kills an animal, hemorrhaging and loss of blood pressure is what kills. Also the shutting down of the CNS. A .22 can kill an elk with less the 100 lbs of kinetic energy.

Berger VLD Hunting bullets have become a favorite of those who like to shoot at animals at longer ranges. First, as a match bullet, VLDs are very accurate. Secondly, VLDs do not need a lot of velocity to expand. In fact, they will still expand when impacting at velocities as low as 1500 fps.

 

[WildRose]

Berger VLD Hunting bullets have become a favorite of those who like to shoot at animals at longer ranges. First, as a match bullet, VLDs are very accurate. Secondly, VLDs do not need a lot of velocity to expand. In fact, they will still expand when impacting at velocities as low as 1500 fps.

Some yes, for many others no.

What does Berger show for optimal impact velocities for their target bullets?

 

[Priley]

Some yes, for many others no.

What does Berger show for optimal impact velocities for their target bullets?

The bullet I was talking about hit the animal at over 1600 fps plenty fast for the bullet to expand an KILL the animal. Should everyone take that shot NO. That being said there are those that can and will take that shot given there is no wind and they have made shot's beyond that distance in practice. This is a long range thread so quit arguing and listen to folks that have probably done more research then you. You don't like to be criticized and lash out instead of listening to other's. If this doesn't sink in that elk DIED and was mounted and hang's on a wall. Saying something is impossible will almost always be done by someone that tries a little harder. With all of this ALWAYS make sure you can make the shot before you take the shot.

 

[WildRose]

The bullet I was talking about hit the animal at over 1600 fps plenty fast for the bullet to expand an KILL the animal. Should everyone take that shot NO. That being said there are those that can and will take that shot given there is no wind and they have made shot's beyond that distance in practice. This is a long range thread so quit arguing and listen to folks that have probably done more research then you. You don't like to be criticized and lash out instead of listening to other's. If this doesn't sink in that elk DIED and was mounted and hang's on a wall. Saying something is impossible will almost always be done by someone that tries a little harder. With all of this ALWAYS make sure you can make the shot before you take the shot.

There's no possibility at all that the bullet was still carrying 1,600fps at 1,300 yards as demonstrated with two separate ballistics charts.

This is a long range thread so quit arguing and listen to folks that have probably done more research then you.

Ok, that's just hilarious.
Your own printed chart above however shows that I am correct on both velocity and energy at 1,3000yds.

Edit to correct yardage.

 

[Priley]

There's no possibility at all that the bullet was still carrying 1,600fps at 1,000 yards as demonstrated with two separate ballistics charts.



Ok, that's just hilarious.

Trajectory Input Data Manufacturer: Berger Description: Match Hunting VLD Caliber: 0.264 in Weight: 140.0 gr Ballistic Coefficient: 0.313 G7 (ICAO) Muzzle Velocity: 2730.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg Target Height: 12.0 in Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg Humidity: 10 % Altitude: 10000.0 ft Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA Round Output to Whole Numbers: No Output Data Elevation: 5.390 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA Atmospheric Density: 0.05254 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s Maximum PBR: 350 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 296 yd Range of Maximum Height: 161 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 1772.1 ft•lbs Sectional Density: 0.287 lb/in² (yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA) Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead Calculated Table 500 -39.6 -7.6 0.0 0.0 2247.7 2.013 1570.3 0.605 0.0 0.0 550 -51.8 -9.0 0.0 0.0 2202.1 1.972 1507.2 0.673 0.0 0.0 600 -65.9 -10.5 0.0 0.0 2157.1 1.932 1446.3 0.742 0.0 0.0 650 -81.8 -12.0 0.0 0.0 2112.7 1.892 1387.2 0.812 0.0 0.0 700 -99.6 -13.6 0.0 0.0 2068.7 1.853 1330.2 0.884 0.0 0.0 750 -119.5 -15.2 0.0 0.0 2025.3 1.814 1274.9 0.957 0.0 0.0 800 -141.5 -16.9 0.0 0.0 1982.4 1.776 1221.4 1.032 0.0 0.0 850 -165.7 -18.6 0.0 0.0 1939.9 1.738 1169.7 1.108 0.0 0.0 900 -192.2 -20.4 0.0 0.0 1897.9 1.700 1119.6 1.186 0.0 0.0 950 -221.1 -22.2 0.0 0.0 1856.4 1.663 1071.1 1.266 0.0 0.0 1000 -252.6 -24.1 0.0 0.0 1815.2 1.626 1024.1 1.348 0.0 0.0 1050 -286.7 -26.1 0.0 0.0 1774.5 1.589 978.7 1.432 0.0 0.0 1100 -323.5 -28.1 0.0 0.0 1734.2 1.553 934.8 1.517 0.0 0.0 1150 -363.3 -30.2 0.0 0.0 1694.3 1.518 892.2 1.605 0.0 0.0 1200 -406.0 -32.3 0.0 0.0 1654.8 1.482 851.1 1.694 0.0 0.0 1250 -452.0 -34.5 0.0 0.0 1615.7 1.447 811.4 1.786 0.0 0.0 1300 -501.2 -36.8 0.0 0.0 1577.0 1.412 772.9 1.880 0.0 0.0 1350 -554.0 -39.2 0.0 0.0 1538.7 1.378 735.8 1.976 0.0 0.0 1400 -610.5 -41.6 0.0 0.0 1500.8 1.344 700.0 2.075 0.0 0.0 1450 -670.8 -44.2 0.0 0.0 1463.3 1.311 665.5 2.176 0.0 0.0 1500 -735.1 -46.8 0.0 0.0 1426.3 1.278 632.3 2.280 0.0 0.0

 

[WildRose]

Buy hollow points reload them to max fps shoot anywhere you like...my dad did that and my 22-250 dropped deer drt.



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The ABLR is bonded, the Hornady Interlock is not, it just has the cannelure that essentially puts a slight crimp on the jacket pressing it into the led to help prevent jacket/core separation issues.

Both work pretty well as intended if you keep them in that sweet spot speed wise but with closer shots, higher velocity impacts they still tend to be prone to breakup and particularly so if they strike hard bone.

 

[WildRose]

Trajectory Input Data Manufacturer: Berger Description: Match Hunting VLD Caliber: 0.264 in Weight: 140.0 gr Ballistic Coefficient: 0.313 G7 (ICAO) Muzzle Velocity: 2730.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg Target Height: 12.0 in Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg Humidity: 10 % Altitude: 10000.0 ft Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA Round Output to Whole Numbers: No Output Data Elevation: 5.390 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA Atmospheric Density: 0.05254 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s Maximum PBR: 350 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 296 yd Range of Maximum Height: 161 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 1772.1 ft•lbs Sectional Density: 0.287 lb/in² Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead (yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA) Calculated Table 500 -39.6 -7.6 0.0 0.0 2247.7 2.013 1570.3 0.605 0.0 0.0 550 -51.8 -9.0 0.0 0.0 2202.1 1.972 1507.2 0.673 0.0 0.0 600 -65.9 -10.5 0.0 0.0 2157.1 1.932 1446.3 0.742 0.0 0.0 650 -81.8 -12.0 0.0 0.0 2112.7 1.892 1387.2 0.812 0.0 0.0 700 -99.6 -13.6 0.0 0.0 2068.7 1.853 1330.2 0.884 0.0 0.0 750 -119.5 -15.2 0.0 0.0 2025.3 1.814 1274.9 0.957 0.0 0.0 800 -141.5 -16.9 0.0 0.0 1982.4 1.776 1221.4 1.032 0.0 0.0 850 -165.7 -18.6 0.0 0.0 1939.9 1.738 1169.7 1.108 0.0 0.0 900 -192.2 -20.4 0.0 0.0 1897.9 1.700 1119.6 1.186 0.0 0.0 950 -221.1 -22.2 0.0 0.0 1856.4 1.663 1071.1 1.266 0.0 0.0 1000 -252.6 -24.1 0.0 0.0 1815.2 1.626 1024.1 1.348 0.0 0.0 1050 -286.7 -26.1 0.0 0.0 1774.5 1.589 978.7 1.432 0.0 0.0 1100 -323.5 -28.1 0.0 0.0 1734.2 1.553 934.8 1.517 0.0 0.0 1150 -363.3 -30.2 0.0 0.0 1694.3 1.518 892.2 1.605 0.0 0.0 1200 -406.0 -32.3 0.0 0.0 1654.8 1.482 851.1 1.694 0.0 0.0 1250 -452.0 -34.5 0.0 0.0 1615.7 1.447 811.4 1.786 0.0 0.0 1300 -501.2 -36.8 0.0 0.0 1577.0 1.412 772.9 1.880 0.0 0.0 1350 -554.0 -39.2 0.0 0.0 1538.7 1.378 735.8 1.976 0.0 0.0 1400 -610.5 -41.6 0.0 0.0 1500.8 1.344 700.0 2.075 0.0 0.0 1450 -670.8 -44.2 0.0 0.0 1463.3 1.311 665.5 2.176 0.0 0.0 1500 -735.1 -46.8 0.0 0.0 1426.3 1.278 632.3 2.280 0.0 0.0

According to your own chart there at 1,300yds you're down to 1,577 fps and 772 ft-lbs of energy.

Is that within the manufacturers stated velocity for optimal terminal performance?

 

[Priley]

According to your own chart there at 1,300yds you're down to 1,577 fps and 772 ft-lbs of energy.

Is that within the manufacturers stated velocity for optimal terminal

The shot wasn't 1300 yards was it? Again ENERGY doesn't kill! The bullet expanding causing hemorrhaging and massive trauma do. You don't know how to use a ballistic chart and still don't believe Berger bullet's work. Well sorry pal, go your own way cause you aren't quite as intelligent as you think. I have better things to do with my time then argue with someone who ignores facts!

 

[Wyo37]

Always wanted a 6.5x47 lapua. Then the creedmoor came along and made it super easy (fact rifles, ammunition, etc).

Personally I will be using 140gr eldm's this hunting season. From antelope to elk

 

[Priley]

Always wanted a 6.5x47 lapua. Then the creedmoor came along and made it super easy (fact rifles, ammunition, etc).

Personally I will be using 140gr eldm's this hunting season. From antelope to elk

Good choice, I have been shooting lot's of 140 ELD-M's since Berger's are getting scarce. They perform very well.

 

[WildRose]

The shot wasn't 1300 yards was it? Again ENERGY doesn't kill! The bullet expanding causing hemorrhaging and massive trauma do. You don't know how to use a ballistic chart and still don't believe Berger bullet's work. Well sorry pal, go your own way cause you aren't quite as intelligent as you think. I have better things to do with my time then argue with someone who ignores facts!

Yes, your original claim was that the animal was killed at over 1,250yds.

I've never said Berger's won't work. I found however that like many others that they don't give the kind of predictable, consistent terminal performance I want from a bullet;

 

[snox801]

So it takes very little "energy"…. Like you just said.

Way to dodge the .223 vs 44 Mag question…. Because that is the entire essence of this stupid *** argument.

Ok yes with the right bullet I would gladly take the 223. Wrong bullet in 44 wouldn't work well either. Again it's more than just energy.
I think wild rose point was it is a factor to consider and no matter what your argument. Although it may work I think even priley would agree after looking at his velocity at impact it had a very real chance of not opening the billet or functioning correctly.
As for how and why a bullet works companies spend a very good amount of money setting limits. Will some work outside yep should they be used for that nope.

 

[Priley]

Ok yes with the right bullet I would gladly take the 223. Wrong bullet in 44 wouldn't work well either. Again it's more than just energy.
I think wild rose point was it is a factor to consider and no matter what your argument. Although it may work I think even priley would agree after looking at his velocity at impact it had a very real chance of not opening the billet or functioning correctly.
As for how and why a bullet works companies spend a very good amount of money setting limits. Will some work outside yep should they be used for that

 

[WildRose]

Ok yes with the right bullet I would gladly take the 223. Wrong bullet in 44 wouldn't work well either. Again it's more than just energy.
I think wild rose point was it is a factor to consider and no matter what your argument. Although it may work I think even priley would agree after looking at his velocity at impact it had a very real chance of not opening the billet or functioning correctly.
As for how and why a bullet works companies spend a very good amount of money setting limits. Will some work outside yep should they be used for that nope.

"Neither" would be the best answer.