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<blockquote data-quote="Salmonchaser" data-source="post: 1517459" data-attributes="member: 107697"><p>What we know for certain is you are much better served by a weapon system you have on your person at all times. </p><p>ADFG has conducted many studies regarding DLP (defense of life or property) The most interesting one evaluated the effectiveness of long guns, hand guns and pepper spray in non-hunting circumstances. </p><p>Handguns beat long guns in their evaluation simply because once the bear made contact the long gun either could not be brought on target or had been knocked out of the victims hands. Pepper spray was also effective but I don't recall if it fell just above or below handguns.</p><p>The study did not consider incidents where the bear did not make contact.</p><p>I carried an 870 for a number of years but prefer my Marlin guide gun. I always carry the 454 and spray. </p><p>Regardless ADFG showing buckshot failing to penetrate a bears skull I've seen it work twice. First time dad and I were duck hunting outside Fairbanks. We were sneaking up on some ducks and the bear just popped up over a dead fall, 10 to 15 feet away, not charging but coming at us. Dad hit him right above the nose with a load of sixes, tore the bears face off. The bear rolled back over the dead fall, rolling around making a terrible noise. Dad dropped the shotgun, spun his 06 off his back and hammered the bear again.</p><p>Second time, just a few months later we heard the bear outside the tent. Bear tears in through the door. Dad hits him in the face with 00 buck, as the bear rolls back dad follows pounding slugs into him. </p><p>The principle is to turn the bear, disable as much as you can and finish him. </p><p>These incidents occurred in 1960 and 61. I was 6 or 7. </p><p>Don't think it was isolated success as that's what everyone did then.</p><p>Over the last 20 years I've guided out in Bristol Bay. I've had very few days I didn't see a Grizz. My " best day" outside Katmai NP we had 22 Grizz within 50 yards. I've never had to shoot one, I've pepper sprayed three in that time. It works. I was ready to shoot but the spray worked instantly when I used it. </p><p>I really don't think it matters much, going back to the argument pump vs auto, getting hits on target are what count. </p><p>All our rifles and shotguns have tactical slings. The guides carry them their chest, not over their shoulder. Embarrassment teaches almost as well as pain. I've suffered the embarrassment of propping my shot gun on the driftwood and wadding out to fish only to have a bear show up. I always carry at least two systems, heavy handgun and spray. I can access each with either hand. In my opinion heavy hardcast bullets that will break bone and penetrate deeply are a good bet in handguns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Salmonchaser, post: 1517459, member: 107697"] What we know for certain is you are much better served by a weapon system you have on your person at all times. ADFG has conducted many studies regarding DLP (defense of life or property) The most interesting one evaluated the effectiveness of long guns, hand guns and pepper spray in non-hunting circumstances. Handguns beat long guns in their evaluation simply because once the bear made contact the long gun either could not be brought on target or had been knocked out of the victims hands. Pepper spray was also effective but I don't recall if it fell just above or below handguns. The study did not consider incidents where the bear did not make contact. I carried an 870 for a number of years but prefer my Marlin guide gun. I always carry the 454 and spray. Regardless ADFG showing buckshot failing to penetrate a bears skull I've seen it work twice. First time dad and I were duck hunting outside Fairbanks. We were sneaking up on some ducks and the bear just popped up over a dead fall, 10 to 15 feet away, not charging but coming at us. Dad hit him right above the nose with a load of sixes, tore the bears face off. The bear rolled back over the dead fall, rolling around making a terrible noise. Dad dropped the shotgun, spun his 06 off his back and hammered the bear again. Second time, just a few months later we heard the bear outside the tent. Bear tears in through the door. Dad hits him in the face with 00 buck, as the bear rolls back dad follows pounding slugs into him. The principle is to turn the bear, disable as much as you can and finish him. These incidents occurred in 1960 and 61. I was 6 or 7. Don't think it was isolated success as that's what everyone did then. Over the last 20 years I've guided out in Bristol Bay. I've had very few days I didn't see a Grizz. My " best day" outside Katmai NP we had 22 Grizz within 50 yards. I've never had to shoot one, I've pepper sprayed three in that time. It works. I was ready to shoot but the spray worked instantly when I used it. I really don't think it matters much, going back to the argument pump vs auto, getting hits on target are what count. All our rifles and shotguns have tactical slings. The guides carry them their chest, not over their shoulder. Embarrassment teaches almost as well as pain. I've suffered the embarrassment of propping my shot gun on the driftwood and wadding out to fish only to have a bear show up. I always carry at least two systems, heavy handgun and spray. I can access each with either hand. In my opinion heavy hardcast bullets that will break bone and penetrate deeply are a good bet in handguns. [/QUOTE]
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